Newsgroups: php.internals Path: news.php.net Xref: news.php.net php.internals:101575 Return-Path: Mailing-List: contact internals-help@lists.php.net; run by ezmlm Delivered-To: mailing list internals@lists.php.net Received: (qmail 42948 invoked from network); 10 Jan 2018 13:28:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.php.net) (127.0.0.1) by localhost with SMTP; 10 Jan 2018 13:27:59 -0000 Authentication-Results: pb1.pair.com smtp.mail=tendoaki@gmail.com; spf=pass; sender-id=pass Authentication-Results: pb1.pair.com header.from=tendoaki@gmail.com; sender-id=pass Received-SPF: pass (pb1.pair.com: domain gmail.com designates 209.85.213.196 as permitted sender) X-PHP-List-Original-Sender: tendoaki@gmail.com X-Host-Fingerprint: 209.85.213.196 mail-yb0-f196.google.com Received: from [209.85.213.196] ([209.85.213.196:38774] helo=mail-yb0-f196.google.com) by pb1.pair.com (ecelerity 2.1.1.9-wez r(12769M)) with ESMTP id BF/30-39025-FD4165A5 for ; Wed, 10 Jan 2018 08:27:59 -0500 Received: by mail-yb0-f196.google.com with SMTP id b132so4208301yba.5 for ; Wed, 10 Jan 2018 05:27:59 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to; bh=hSnu/VSUaRYoo6+pp2/OvqZM7ee3pfCgjxj0MR1izdw=; b=jdAidLxajVSgtRH2FhTaArpO3vqxM+TAzelHl8dYL8ko4bHNfE5YSX/4CF05LvT7hw 103ub4o9q5H0zHWF+rmG7PtphZFQXWtVtIpb8jfy4fiwGhnnbQa0B+PgNAA1RdNgLD1z dshcp31J6TtvrwVDHyUkmYIxCm4CksL1uv9EE6smMuFfK8d4ZdPaLj9HftNPoBu2GGUQ 1nWvr4TSe/ZRjFEahna5jIw5urs4zN7b5NsC6vVlSIhgdRVZl4cL1wzitul5ASFxGGQV gZv/tFx0jJKXh22Ub6iU8sEJjEZdMoLiuXpB7NmmvoKtgFWqR2aPMUYL+LsXHi1Ec/Ps hxNw== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date :message-id:subject:to; bh=hSnu/VSUaRYoo6+pp2/OvqZM7ee3pfCgjxj0MR1izdw=; b=oWEBba1pssPtv39PPM4DSwJi4EupKQ9Y9vFg1LbKTbA+qIBzan3E3JAn0aGR0n+MEk DxMDh+TCzeQIgX4dyyYKPZXKVg5lzePOZoOz+IhEt/nobFcLieMn9j7/A3UkLFp3524/ uIXEB7GLkvx1NGQ/H9cvpW9l8BWtRrVa5LXbFfMqKIIwNx0tCPdfS9M+Yo8BfTaXqCBE 2qnQNbef02KB5bVU/agTS9Rhm0PSM1kHCHuCHruSL36E4avnY9Q7vKUq+g3D3yhEmpR7 XdGwITlHozFPJdo/q7NTtwmuthCpMy4b9Rfj7IJiL3ppxXqwpAw/3JHzfNviq6X4EMTK z00g== X-Gm-Message-State: AKGB3mLGqAwvTuXqE6a1Zi3k0u7s9Iy48PWtLqoy16W72uwd4zUxcjbE L56iV9KiRh5yX+i/uksqHwH5ydLWkqClK4lLojE= X-Google-Smtp-Source: ACJfBos9Mtx50CeBlBeUU3meXCqVoJzd+v27CJ+DPwUWpdt45zLg/Yjk6nULDY3QSVa/kQCUkTrV7yQ/BiWuquiUibY= X-Received: by 10.37.205.137 with SMTP id d131mr17303888ybf.10.1515590876456; Wed, 10 Jan 2018 05:27:56 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.37.201.7 with HTTP; Wed, 10 Jan 2018 05:27:55 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: References: <9a3a8760-f65a-a5c0-b318-1830a9a986c3@gmail.com> <9352F6DF-9940-49A2-9B1D-FA9258E9738E@lerdorf.com> Date: Wed, 10 Jan 2018 07:27:55 -0600 Message-ID: To: PHP internals Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="94eb2c18931ed0ea3d05626bffbb" Subject: Re: [PHP-DEV] [RFC][DISCUSSION] Strong Typing Syntax From: tendoaki@gmail.com (Michael Morris) --94eb2c18931ed0ea3d05626bffbb Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" On Wed, Jan 10, 2018 at 12:53 AM, Rasmus Lerdorf wrote: > > The difference here is that the end syntax is something like 10% of the > problem. 90% of it is fitting it into the engine in an efficient manner > giving that it is affecting the very core of the engine. An RFC on this > issue that doesn't address the bulk of the problem isn't all that helpful. > > It makes absolutely NO sense to do that 90% of the work to have it all burned up when the proposal fails to carry a 2/3rds vote because the syntax is disliked. Also, drawing the architectural drawings for a skyscraper is also like only 10% of the work, but it's a damn important 10%. That the implementation will be a major pain in the ass to do is all the more reason to create and pass a planning RFC before doing any related code/implementation RFC's. It will encourage people to do the research to try to figure out how to get this done because they know the syntax is approved and they aren't fiddling around in the dark trying to figure out how to do something that may not be accepted for inclusion at all, which is a huge waste of time. --94eb2c18931ed0ea3d05626bffbb--