Newsgroups: php.internals Path: news.php.net Xref: news.php.net php.internals:101574 Return-Path: Mailing-List: contact internals-help@lists.php.net; run by ezmlm Delivered-To: mailing list internals@lists.php.net Received: (qmail 16381 invoked from network); 10 Jan 2018 06:54:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.php.net) (127.0.0.1) by localhost with SMTP; 10 Jan 2018 06:54:32 -0000 Authentication-Results: pb1.pair.com header.from=rasmus@lerdorf.com; sender-id=pass Authentication-Results: pb1.pair.com smtp.mail=rasmus@lerdorf.com; spf=pass; sender-id=pass Received-SPF: pass (pb1.pair.com: domain lerdorf.com designates 74.125.82.172 as permitted sender) X-PHP-List-Original-Sender: rasmus@lerdorf.com X-Host-Fingerprint: 74.125.82.172 mail-ot0-f172.google.com Received: from [74.125.82.172] ([74.125.82.172:38123] helo=mail-ot0-f172.google.com) by pb1.pair.com (ecelerity 2.1.1.9-wez r(12769M)) with ESMTP id 45/C2-09456-6A8B55A5 for ; Wed, 10 Jan 2018 01:54:32 -0500 Received: by mail-ot0-f172.google.com with SMTP id h2so13476908oti.5 for ; Tue, 09 Jan 2018 22:54:30 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=lerdorf-com.20150623.gappssmtp.com; s=20150623; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc; bh=tqAc/HXZqqyJL1r6sQn2wRs6xhcE/F1HGDpdMBqNeGw=; b=oVKvgGXTkKarjDELWwMi5Y05GWB1UKCes2is2ri6RarQu2Xwwri4V6QzH+J9nj92x+ W+rhnNIvNtvPLy7gepj8/qHfIosEILqkSoJEsTV/HYaeLw5mPNbHTzhxCH6/NcDcTtNg 5gzL+Ldnb/ACAUeVmmQ5B6qGhYPIO1nFcuBwM2HJKINMGpNFJj/bmHofn9TkBcQJ6vjW bL1NOEtnOqMtUgwkaxZz5YjeeWCx+/plAEcd/vjYk1D51AWIyAF5HULf9vflVeVFWBnu fK6TBeNT2GWcHhA4VT3xQpuhZd1K1aSMn/IDUDanP1AKzyXDAXYtsu1E5qE34eo5uj3f 1qxg== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=tqAc/HXZqqyJL1r6sQn2wRs6xhcE/F1HGDpdMBqNeGw=; b=a35pIjS8E0dZMqH2YYRtI0U1vMNK+OVwxIea8shF8008eXQR/1Ze5IIy2jysdLzZeS S4QwHlrgc2C74p3eEqLAHgqWQiAq+Ubk0I0vk4Op1xAoWXhU9CtoZ7ON4iifAf3ITu7R 1ZuYeNpmolQHwrNzxjckABDkLdeHRrahTCDJNZKf4oeNENawCXvVPdVtBu/VNQ+q/dE1 reh0xx7AGNO4DuZWCePyQxdGBZMVEN5j+IEoSzGqXAU2LdZ3+mORskwfBdyu1WkXXd+R UfJBolQEPpcH5tPIsxf4uS+u3/QSROgfvfyRpuwqEyI0owtK881Ei9JtGiFq9ffb2Xh4 a3rA== X-Gm-Message-State: AKwxytc/uY9n86T2Hq33eTFZz34CjltiMy2jVzTLjxV4JmPQ7hDu7+Eo 4RWuWUnKHdK2HtYmn/A4SiWU2y+KjNfZvPA5Cq3jsw== X-Google-Smtp-Source: ACJfBourWL7E9JuLjwnZ9zSshgRR6FiPYiqYVNmkQ6RUXbBpYZCrG0NwUOXPxtxJG+L+/+uMq7WGTqzMnmqiWH6j5qk= X-Received: by 10.157.63.143 with SMTP id r15mr10949215otc.360.1515567267530; Tue, 09 Jan 2018 22:54:27 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.74.121.200 with HTTP; Tue, 9 Jan 2018 22:53:46 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: References: <9a3a8760-f65a-a5c0-b318-1830a9a986c3@gmail.com> <9352F6DF-9940-49A2-9B1D-FA9258E9738E@lerdorf.com> Date: Tue, 9 Jan 2018 22:53:46 -0800 Message-ID: To: Michael Morris Cc: PHP internals Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="001a11c0ab909d5d6a056266804f" Subject: Re: [PHP-DEV] [RFC][DISCUSSION] Strong Typing Syntax From: rasmus@lerdorf.com (Rasmus Lerdorf) --001a11c0ab909d5d6a056266804f Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" On Tue, Jan 9, 2018 at 3:06 PM, Michael Morris wrote: > Before I begin, and without picking on anyone specific, I want to say that > it is generally unhelpful to say that because I, or others, do not know how > the engine is set up that it is impossible to make any meaningful > contributions to the list or on this issue specifically. My clients don't > understand HTML. If I told them they needed to study how HTML works before > trying to give me input on the sites I'm building for them I'd likely be > fired. As a theater major I know quite a bit more than most of the people > on this list about what makes a good play or movie actually work, but I > don't pretend that knowledge is prerequisite to knowing if a play or movie > is good. It either works, or it doesn't. > The difference here is that the end syntax is something like 10% of the problem. 90% of it is fitting it into the engine in an efficient manner giving that it is affecting the very core of the engine. An RFC on this issue that doesn't address the bulk of the problem isn't all that helpful. -Rasmus --001a11c0ab909d5d6a056266804f--