Newsgroups: php.internals Path: news.php.net Xref: news.php.net php.internals:101522 Return-Path: Mailing-List: contact internals-help@lists.php.net; run by ezmlm Delivered-To: mailing list internals@lists.php.net Received: (qmail 65442 invoked from network); 3 Jan 2018 19:04:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.php.net) (127.0.0.1) by localhost with SMTP; 3 Jan 2018 19:04:18 -0000 Authentication-Results: pb1.pair.com smtp.mail=pmjones88@gmail.com; spf=pass; sender-id=pass Authentication-Results: pb1.pair.com header.from=pmjones88@gmail.com; sender-id=pass Received-SPF: pass (pb1.pair.com: domain gmail.com designates 209.85.223.179 as permitted sender) X-PHP-List-Original-Sender: pmjones88@gmail.com X-Host-Fingerprint: 209.85.223.179 mail-io0-f179.google.com Received: from [209.85.223.179] ([209.85.223.179:36282] helo=mail-io0-f179.google.com) by pb1.pair.com (ecelerity 2.1.1.9-wez r(12769M)) with ESMTP id FF/24-23177-1392D4A5 for ; Wed, 03 Jan 2018 14:04:18 -0500 Received: by mail-io0-f179.google.com with SMTP id i143so3124511ioa.3 for ; Wed, 03 Jan 2018 11:04:17 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:subject:from:in-reply-to:date:cc :content-transfer-encoding:message-id:references:to; bh=TdQ2VAmvKJbaeINKguQVLn+30tsV2+LrMwQOT/nUlnI=; b=VFw5Wgme8NJZdmW6+nhovChdyq1N8C+Q6HDvUf6PHHYyXs1DEiMIkBLhHTsEDwWOo5 54p2knP5fYZp/mRIbfrsBnymBMffYbEOMlM6OSd/rVcQWR8Jxop3WjpfBpY8+enD4Vpt fGbdDSIa5/h4T20DUAD4yWYkgHQCDd9gikR8H45lsOs/rtz3egMNleuVImGqEJvwwX9s F9TFD/D5yDRd7yCY/AD5dT5bHRoToHS5hC94qtSvFX828+KPTMz4OS3qxxvw+2DcFdD1 v8EemitsSb4H6L5bnKyrXiINQCdJ8sadm3UC6QIV1JAbZDBJ1gvxrUyCiNlNEGsU2FeN Thyg== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:subject:from:in-reply-to:date:cc :content-transfer-encoding:message-id:references:to; bh=TdQ2VAmvKJbaeINKguQVLn+30tsV2+LrMwQOT/nUlnI=; b=Az84jcAAV5DMz2TBb0HqNb5yksSfpmV2TWi4XyxtQmoJnAsY0W9kjxtQBF2AKNfrZT mCmO93pcCLda4nj5ueHTzwVaKtSaF+3yiQecYkaICOp+yB5Hiys+0Jirw5cXGxrArFJ2 TXK9+XUmikeeT8URJ8EtMfVd71IKN1gPYxLD+KMUXcBqXWZqwMmFbsHGiv8o+6sxjBm/ Y2AgoxB/ZIfTZ3GAjeLDKgHEpvY0bFw6JKUuCA6CnsA9WiHWhE82UYHpBpndVVHcUvyn Lfizsj31nDUPx5GF7pSvU+eoBmyJgpwBVhSLIL2Th9fARfQ7/PY0FDqF4J1C4LExO5ox X4Tw== X-Gm-Message-State: AKGB3mLikRG1vUoPIBWGU2jdMDd8C/CSeDJSpO7/Wr6LDvh14aVeQLwf 6y5NfpojAa3JHZWFeNPXH4E= X-Google-Smtp-Source: ACJfBot4FAnJ3UqFQ/AWkkfhaMnedCYv9YWSSsZHZDX1hvm7G1byA6aLvKBS8IZarBciNeRxZG9voA== X-Received: by 10.107.30.71 with SMTP id e68mr2562304ioe.289.1515006254122; Wed, 03 Jan 2018 11:04:14 -0800 (PST) Received: from samurai.attlocal.net (107-223-28-39.lightspeed.nsvltn.sbcglobal.net. [107.223.28.39]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id m21sm1026696itb.43.2018.01.03.11.04.12 (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Wed, 03 Jan 2018 11:04:12 -0800 (PST) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 10.3 \(3273\)) In-Reply-To: Date: Wed, 3 Jan 2018 13:04:10 -0600 Cc: PHP internals Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-ID: References: <20468E8B-D436-4AC7-ACC5-847BBFB917BB@gmail.com> To: Joe Watkins X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3273) Subject: Re: [PHP-DEV] Mailing list moderation From: pmjones88@gmail.com (Paul Jones) > On Jan 3, 2018, at 12:59, Joe Watkins wrote: >=20 > Let's remember that there are a large number of people on the = sidelines that are not subscribed to the list directly, but choose to = use news readers, or the excellent externals.io; They may not able to = filter messages from any individuals, so they are in effect forced to = navigate through these "contributions" from problematic posters. That's = not fair to them, at all. All of the conversations here are a matter of = public record, not only existing in your mail client, or inbox, or = whatever ... We can and should be eliminating noise from that public = record. It is indeed excellent. Perhaps this is an opportunity to create = "expurgated.externals.io" that is under the control of whoever creates & = manages it, to filter "noise" there so that others may peruse it in what = they consider to be peace. That's three postings for me on this topic today, which is probably a = bit much; I'll leave it at that for now. --=20 Paul M. Jones pmjones88@gmail.com http://paul-m-jones.com Modernizing Legacy Applications in PHP https://leanpub.com/mlaphp Solving the N+1 Problem in PHP https://leanpub.com/sn1php