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Date: Wed, 03 Jan 2018 17:28:36 +0000
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To: Michael Morris <tendoaki@gmail.com>
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Subject: Re: [PHP-DEV] Mailing list moderation
From: chasepeeler@gmail.com (Chase Peeler)

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On Wed, Jan 3, 2018 at 12:18 PM Michael Morris <tendoaki@gmail.com> wrote:

> On Wed, Jan 3, 2018 at 11:05 AM, Chase Peeler <chasepeeler@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> > On Wed, Jan 3, 2018 at 10:49 AM Paul Jones <pmjones88@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > > On Jan 2, 2018, at 12:29, Dustin Wheeler <mdwheele@ncsu.edu> wrote:
> > > > On Tue, Jan 2, 2018 at 12:19 PM, Levi Morrison <levim@php.net>
> wrote:
> > >
> > > If someone dislikes Tony's commentary for any reason (or no reason!)
> they
> > > are free to filter his messages themselves -- and then unfilter his
> > > messages when they see fit.
> > >
> >
> > I agree with Paul. It would be different if email clients that allowed
> > filtering were expensive or hard to find. They aren=E2=80=99t, though. =
Pretty
> much
> > every email client not only allows filtering, but rather advanced
> filtering
> > as well.
> >
>
> All fine and well, but it doesn't work when people start quoting the
> offender. Also, filters don't stop the poison from affecting the mood of
> the posters who interact with him.
>
> In my experience loud and obnoxious voices drive off thoughtful and
> introspective ones every time. That is the consequence of giving a platfo=
rm
> to them. As the saying goes, It's pointless to wrestle a pig - you'll jus=
t
> get muddy and the pig enjoys it. From a moderators standpoint, if you
> refuse to block jerks eventually all you'll be left with are jerks.
>
> I think self moderation still solves this. If the person is disruptive
enough, eventually enough people will block them and there won't be many
instances of them getting quoted or poisoning the thread.

If certain people decide to engage them, then others will start to block
them as well. In the end, they'll have to choose whether they want to
contribute in a positive way to the list, or, "wrestle with pigs." The two
options will be mutually exclusive, since you can't continue to pull
content others are trying to ignore back into the conversation without
getting ignored yourself.


> >
> > Instead of suspending users, no matter how egregious their offenses may
> be,
> > let individual users filter them out as they see fit.
> >
> >
> Again, in my experience people usually elect to simply leave altogether
> rather than set a long block list.  And frankly Tony isn't worth even one
> contributing coder.
>
> Tony has been asked multiple times by multiple people to behave.  He's be=
en
> banned from other PHP related forums I know of. He's not here to contribu=
te
> in any meaningful way, only complain and make passive agressive swipes at
> other users. I could go on, but I think that alone makes the case that he
> needs to be gone.
>

Maybe, maybe not. Either way, I don't want you making that decision for
me.  I should be allowed to determine at which point someone's negative
contributions outweigh their positive ones to a point that I no longer feel
they are productive.
--=20
-- Chase
chasepeeler@gmail.com

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