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Date: Wed, 3 Jan 2018 12:17:53 -0500
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Subject: Re: [PHP-DEV] Mailing list moderation
From: tendoaki@gmail.com (Michael Morris)

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On Wed, Jan 3, 2018 at 11:05 AM, Chase Peeler <chasepeeler@gmail.com> wrote=
:

> On Wed, Jan 3, 2018 at 10:49 AM Paul Jones <pmjones88@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > On Jan 2, 2018, at 12:29, Dustin Wheeler <mdwheele@ncsu.edu> wrote:
> > > On Tue, Jan 2, 2018 at 12:19 PM, Levi Morrison <levim@php.net> wrote:
> >
> > If someone dislikes Tony's commentary for any reason (or no reason!) th=
ey
> > are free to filter his messages themselves -- and then unfilter his
> > messages when they see fit.
> >
>
> I agree with Paul. It would be different if email clients that allowed
> filtering were expensive or hard to find. They aren=E2=80=99t, though. Pr=
etty much
> every email client not only allows filtering, but rather advanced filteri=
ng
> as well.
>

All fine and well, but it doesn't work when people start quoting the
offender. Also, filters don't stop the poison from affecting the mood of
the posters who interact with him.

In my experience loud and obnoxious voices drive off thoughtful and
introspective ones every time. That is the consequence of giving a platform
to them. As the saying goes, It's pointless to wrestle a pig - you'll just
get muddy and the pig enjoys it. From a moderators standpoint, if you
refuse to block jerks eventually all you'll be left with are jerks.


>
> Instead of suspending users, no matter how egregious their offenses may b=
e,
> let individual users filter them out as they see fit.
>
>
Again, in my experience people usually elect to simply leave altogether
rather than set a long block list.  And frankly Tony isn't worth even one
contributing coder.

Tony has been asked multiple times by multiple people to behave.  He's been
banned from other PHP related forums I know of. He's not here to contribute
in any meaningful way, only complain and make passive agressive swipes at
other users. I could go on, but I think that alone makes the case that he
needs to be gone.

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