Newsgroups: php.internals Path: news.php.net Xref: news.php.net php.internals:101505 Return-Path: Mailing-List: contact internals-help@lists.php.net; run by ezmlm Delivered-To: mailing list internals@lists.php.net Received: (qmail 38231 invoked from network); 3 Jan 2018 16:13:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.php.net) (127.0.0.1) by localhost with SMTP; 3 Jan 2018 16:13:20 -0000 Authentication-Results: pb1.pair.com smtp.mail=andreas@heigl.org; spf=pass; sender-id=pass Authentication-Results: pb1.pair.com header.from=andreas@heigl.org; sender-id=pass Received-SPF: pass (pb1.pair.com: domain heigl.org designates 195.191.240.18 as permitted sender) X-PHP-List-Original-Sender: andreas@heigl.org X-Host-Fingerprint: 195.191.240.18 hos109.unaxus.net Received: from [195.191.240.18] ([195.191.240.18:56877] helo=hos109.unaxus.net) by pb1.pair.com (ecelerity 2.1.1.9-wez r(12769M)) with ESMTP id 4A/8E-23177-B110D4A5 for ; Wed, 03 Jan 2018 11:13:16 -0500 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=heigl.org; s=default; h=Content-Type:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Date:Message-ID:From: References:To:Subject:Sender:Reply-To:Cc:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Content-ID :Content-Description:Resent-Date:Resent-From:Resent-Sender:Resent-To: Resent-Cc:Resent-Message-ID:List-Id:List-Help:List-Unsubscribe:List-Subscribe :List-Post:List-Owner:List-Archive; bh=QmBrHOOKutB/Gu4xnuTZ/13oDygnZyoONZf7fcTc3kc=; b=UdsyWvNjzeTFnZcYa1jYfkr2YQ IcF6RBSDGijgQqkMD2T3KUa0rChwpEVomIVY4jv4BLyhnoV450qTLOgbiyqOTU/fxHin/0pBrI5hH eQ44oOzlg7vkF6y0NtLOOcakNlMJGHyDLJiHVcb4tAYfBHvxkTYQniAyzGNnF8x5e1r/bvku+XemA lT97P1n1quOvn0aLNQB7onPhlGo2RXFWbTQqorH/zbn2XlfCQz5eZ7S/t33eWgotZO7CqUSLSJWEk ndt7cg97kvmtiozZ+kSmCdUGBlslKmjULoubmlTpDRNU4iosG+JaOhVLQEjr5rgHY6e84ig3ZvpHz j5RWzMdA==; Received: from [212.185.30.151] (port=52354 helo=localadmins-MacBook-Pro.local) by hos109.unaxus.net with esmtpsa (TLSv1.2:ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256:128) (Exim 4.89_1) (envelope-from ) id 1eWlfE-000feS-Ea; Wed, 03 Jan 2018 17:13:12 +0100 To: Sanford Whiteman , PHP Internals References: <50.1B.23177.8B29C4A5@pb1.pair.com> Openpgp: id=967CCFA50DFFEE03BB8BF5F2CA9213C75BFCE472 Message-ID: Date: Wed, 3 Jan 2018 17:13:08 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha256; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="Irr5QEzeO39AtVZABgxY7TWQGDNr9KhCg" X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - hos109.unaxus.net X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - lists.php.net X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - heigl.org X-Get-Message-Sender-Via: hos109.unaxus.net: authenticated_id: a.heigl+heigl.org/only user confirmed/virtual account not confirmed X-Authenticated-Sender: hos109.unaxus.net: a.heigl@heigl.org Subject: Re: [PHP-DEV] Mailing list moderation From: andreas@heigl.org (Andreas Heigl) --Irr5QEzeO39AtVZABgxY7TWQGDNr9KhCg Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="VQpbsZj6tEjRmxiNsFRGxPrDIVYt16FV7"; protected-headers="v1" From: Andreas Heigl To: Sanford Whiteman , PHP Internals Message-ID: Subject: Re: [PHP-DEV] Mailing list moderation References: <50.1B.23177.8B29C4A5@pb1.pair.com> In-Reply-To: --VQpbsZj6tEjRmxiNsFRGxPrDIVYt16FV7 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Am 03.01.18 um 10:55 schrieb Sanford Whiteman: > Tony, you have a point in the sense that a proposed Code of Conduct -- > which would have been binding on posts to lists @php.net -- provoked a > fiery debate (to put it mildly) and was eventually withdrawn > (http://news.php.net/php.internals/90726). >=20 > The dominant objections to the CoC did not focus on relatively > apolitical cases like calling someone a habitual liar or implying > non-augmented humans can write bug-free code. Yet the point remains > that there is no doc whose letter or spirit can be debated, AFAIK. May I point to the headline "Mailing List Posting Guideline" at the Mailing-List page[0]? Especially the references to the README.MAILINGLIST_RULES[1] right at the end? Which in turn references RFC 1855[2]? So I'd say there actually *is* even more than one doc whose letter or spirit can be debated. But debating is one thing, taking action is another one. 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