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Date: Wed, 3 Jan 2018 04:55:13 -0500
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Subject: Re: [PHP-DEV] Mailing list moderation
From: figureonecpr@gmail.com (Sanford Whiteman)

Tony, you have a point in the sense that a proposed Code of Conduct --
which would have been binding on posts to lists @php.net -- provoked a
fiery   debate  (to  put  it  mildly)  and  was  eventually  withdrawn
(http://news.php.net/php.internals/90726).

The  dominant  objections  to  the  CoC  did  not  focus on relatively
apolitical  cases  like  calling  someone  a habitual liar or implying
non-augmented  humans  can  write bug-free code. Yet the point remains
that there is no doc whose letter or spirit can be debated, AFAIK.

As  Stas  points  out,  having  a CoC for the list would not be a free
speech  issue  in  the  wider  sense.  But  in the *absence* of such a
yardstick,  I  do  agree  with  you  that  there's  nothing to justify
ejecting you from the list.

You  obviously  love using PHP and do not come here simply to bash the
language  (to me, that would be grounds for ejection because one would
not  legitimately be joining the community, in essence a spam signup).
While  I don't agree with your technical viewpoint in the recent flame
war,  perhaps  you  do still have the right to express it here without
fear of suspension/ejection.

But  consider this takeaway: while you may not realize it since you're
in  too  deep  at present, the (scalar-pseudo-type-related) war you're
currently  in  with  the  other  fellow  has  devolved into silliness.
Neither of you are in my killfile; more the reverse, as it's become so
over-the-top that it's funny.

I  know,  though,  that  you  take this topic seriously -- but the way
things are going are entirely comedic, with accusations of fabulism (I
don't  know  where  that's  from) met by accusations of lack of coding
skill  (just  as  unlikely  for  a  longtime  Internals  participant).
Assuming  you'd  rather  we  take  the technical aspects of the debate
seriously, for that reason alone it's worth a reset and a rethink.

=E2=80=94=E2=80=94 S.