Newsgroups: php.internals Path: news.php.net Xref: news.php.net php.internals:101501 Return-Path: Mailing-List: contact internals-help@lists.php.net; run by ezmlm Delivered-To: mailing list internals@lists.php.net Received: (qmail 20953 invoked from network); 3 Jan 2018 09:26:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.php.net) (127.0.0.1) by localhost with SMTP; 3 Jan 2018 09:26:40 -0000 X-Host-Fingerprint: 62.31.75.76 76.75-31-62.static.virginmediabusiness.co.uk Received: from [62.31.75.76] ([62.31.75.76:15247] helo=localhost.localdomain) by pb1.pair.com (ecelerity 2.1.1.9-wez r(12769M)) with ESMTP id D9/7C-23177-DC1AC4A5 for ; Wed, 03 Jan 2018 04:26:39 -0500 Message-ID: To: internals@lists.php.net References: <50.1B.23177.8B29C4A5@pb1.pair.com> In-Reply-To: Date: Wed, 3 Jan 2018 09:26:32 -0000 Lines: 2 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="utf-8"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Importance: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Windows Live Mail 16.4.3564.1216 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V16.4.3564.1216 X-Posted-By: 62.31.75.76 Subject: Re: [PHP-DEV] Mailing list moderation From: TonyMarston@hotmail.com ("Tony Marston") "Stanislav Malyshev" wrote in message news:cc1f4670-d201-5a06-7309-a2386f8194ee@gmail.com... > >Hi! > >> You may not like what I have to say, but that is no reason to ban me >> from saying it. I believe in democracy and free speech, and by banning >> or suspending me you are effectively banning the right to free speech. > >This has nothing to do with free speech. You are welcome to exercise >your rights to free speech any way you like. But you don't have the >rights to be in the list if the community does not want it and if your >behavior is unhelpful and un-conductive to the discussion. I can understand you banning or suspending someone because of personal abuse or offensive/foul language, but banning someone simply because you don't like what they say is a step too far. If this is allowed to happen then soon you will get to stage where someone says "Anyone who disagrees with my point of view is an idiot and should be banned from this list". > In that case, >you'd have to exercise your rights to free speech somewhere else. I am >sure the world of democracy will survive this. This, of course, is not >specific to anybody personally - anybody who does not think they can >abide by the rules of civilized discussion Define "civilised". Anything which does not use foul or abusive language should be regarded as civilised. Expressing an unpopular opinion is still civilised. Anyone who tries to ban unpopular opinions should not be welcome on any list as this prevents proper discussion. > on the list could exercise >their free speech rights in other venues, of which there's always an >abundance. Polite, substantial, productive discussion is welcome - we do >not have any barriers or prerequisites for participation. Noise is not >welcome. There are too many delicate people on this list who regard any opinion which differs from theirs as "noise". >Nobody wants to see the noise on the list, and nobody wants to see yet >more noise by discussing who started it and who kicked or spat first and >who broke whose sand castle. I suggest you start by aiming your wrath at those who move off-topic and start making personal attacks instead of those who defend themselves from such attacks. > Everybody must behave, or take a time out >and relax and think about more pleasant matters until they are able to >be polite again. Again, not about anybody personally, applies to all. > -- Tony Marston