Newsgroups: php.internals Path: news.php.net Xref: news.php.net php.internals:101498 Return-Path: Mailing-List: contact internals-help@lists.php.net; run by ezmlm Delivered-To: mailing list internals@lists.php.net Received: (qmail 15775 invoked from network); 3 Jan 2018 08:45:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.php.net) (127.0.0.1) by localhost with SMTP; 3 Jan 2018 08:45:36 -0000 Authentication-Results: pb1.pair.com smtp.mail=smalyshev@gmail.com; spf=pass; sender-id=pass Authentication-Results: pb1.pair.com header.from=smalyshev@gmail.com; sender-id=pass Received-SPF: pass (pb1.pair.com: domain gmail.com designates 209.85.160.67 as permitted sender) X-PHP-List-Original-Sender: smalyshev@gmail.com X-Host-Fingerprint: 209.85.160.67 mail-pl0-f67.google.com Received: from [209.85.160.67] ([209.85.160.67:43172] helo=mail-pl0-f67.google.com) by pb1.pair.com (ecelerity 2.1.1.9-wez r(12769M)) with ESMTP id C5/7B-23177-E289C4A5 for ; Wed, 03 Jan 2018 03:45:35 -0500 Received: by mail-pl0-f67.google.com with SMTP id z5so858423plo.10 for ; Wed, 03 Jan 2018 00:45:34 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=subject:to:references:from:message-id:date:user-agent:mime-version :in-reply-to:content-language:content-transfer-encoding; bh=XR1dJW6oqpIwluHerBl/SOf691YZaO/Ajdv3hfBKyeA=; b=j7+bqlA1S3IubSJeN+vpJtfcoldPEvkw6ReV3FcBdseC0cuF/2UURjl0QzdY6RczGV 4k7hEjuHqXeuaCfilqiCV6MYr1UByOZ3RclSUqwWlBFuiR6P0uGbCrpKuaIY6hcA+rZl 31g6RroZkWqr2SvsSOq+zmzSqzl5ACu9oOMzmpYXkSvU++C8OoR8qMXkyLxvY6TeBV34 TYQaIlOuIPlYto/p4B9vEUAQNK0ZMt3PUiDdrs18I5aOEkPn0QXdeVlST3biVj3+klTn mFHgchK4X2Sq/AS/DwGln4pZMy3E+mU36qB25uqxK4aR9B9kSG2hHETjUuBzWAZDfaD2 N1sw== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:subject:to:references:from:message-id:date :user-agent:mime-version:in-reply-to:content-language :content-transfer-encoding; bh=XR1dJW6oqpIwluHerBl/SOf691YZaO/Ajdv3hfBKyeA=; b=WtkKUHjgvwqBUHxTqO9Z7o823xvSrQYmk/ir0s2dLHmzJErb4ESeJeoVpHaBOePL1/ +lmd5RnbWFu3xZaX4zfp9R/jNNv/EF8TzgA97NoA8PHB7ilyE+3N5vbHBaVx4FnishKl gbHk37vl0A42az/ZgskFY78RW2qp54OlCG1qHnMIPJa2pSMv6MNL14vLrtIttZ3JjaZ0 0lvsREZJ+ZLEMs/8lLmiO3jY7kBiWlNtl2+rnBov0O6itaSqGYeHMNRP9GzYPUePf7DZ /VFQp4AOz9YOkzKQL9+ndRHIOf7fSvG8vebfs4EkPK3Ff3aydZCaNvpKBjMmOZwRXogM deiQ== X-Gm-Message-State: AKGB3mLrQncrXLYBGNz4e+fLqRrWnMzLcKQtfJbbumH8S4uwOLWlGD9N SIrpnto6Hvh/cjFOkJnNhRhuILg= X-Google-Smtp-Source: ACJfBotczHMO0DjbkiNDSHWoTX47TI9e7T/lQJ3WmlSWgKJ+rMq9AkbvsUm/7EaDzBYpcs5vqm5m/Q== X-Received: by 10.84.245.15 with SMTP id i15mr774079pll.402.1514969131077; Wed, 03 Jan 2018 00:45:31 -0800 (PST) Received: from Stas-Pro-2016.local (c-73-71-144-171.hsd1.ca.comcast.net. [73.71.144.171]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id r1sm1762948pfg.98.2018.01.03.00.45.30 (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Wed, 03 Jan 2018 00:45:30 -0800 (PST) To: Tony Marston , internals@lists.php.net References: <50.1B.23177.8B29C4A5@pb1.pair.com> Message-ID: Date: Wed, 3 Jan 2018 00:45:29 -0800 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.12; rv:58.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/58.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <50.1B.23177.8B29C4A5@pb1.pair.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Language: en-US Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: [PHP-DEV] Mailing list moderation From: smalyshev@gmail.com (Stanislav Malyshev) Hi! > You may not like what I have to say, but that is no reason to ban me > from saying it. I believe in democracy and free speech, and by banning > or suspending me you are effectively banning the right to free speech. This has nothing to do with free speech. You are welcome to exercise your rights to free speech any way you like. But you don't have the rights to be in the list if the community does not want it and if your behavior is unhelpful and un-conductive to the discussion. In that case, you'd have to exercise your rights to free speech somewhere else. I am sure the world of democracy will survive this. This, of course, is not specific to anybody personally - anybody who does not think they can abide by the rules of civilized discussion on the list could exercise their free speech rights in other venues, of which there's always an abundance. Polite, substantial, productive discussion is welcome - we do not have any barriers or prerequisites for participation. Noise is not welcome. Nobody wants to see the noise on the list, and nobody wants to see yet more noise by discussing who started it and who kicked or spat first and who broke whose sand castle. Everybody must behave, or take a time out and relax and think about more pleasant matters until they are able to be polite again. Again, not about anybody personally, applies to all. -- Stas Malyshev smalyshev@gmail.com