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Date: Tue, 2 Jan 2018 13:29:20 -0500
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Subject: Re: [PHP-DEV] Mailing list moderation
From: mdwheele@ncsu.edu (Dustin Wheeler)

On Tue, Jan 2, 2018 at 12:19 PM, Levi Morrison <levim@php.net> wrote:
>
> I doubt we have any official procedures. I agree with the proposed
> suspension as long as the suspension for a set amount of time; I
> believe in giving people a chance to reform. If they can't reform...
> well then I'm fine with an indefinite suspension.
>

I, too, would be in favor of suspension over outright ban, simply
because I have never seen such a ban happen on this list. It saddens
me that, rather than focusing on rigorous discussion, many RFC
discussions are completely sidetracked the moment a topic comes up
that might encroach on either of these individual's "ego" (I temper
language, but agree with Nikita's characterization).

There are, indeed, nuggets of truth in contributions both
lists@rhsoft.net and tonymarston@hotmail.com have made. Both have
legitimate concerns and points of view. Unfortunately, it is on the
reader to decipher that from the "ego" measuring that happens every
time they start one of their back-and-forths.

I hope we can do something about this sooner rather than later. I,
myself, refuse to explicitly censor communication from the list based
on who's talking and I *DO* value both of their opinions and concerns,
but this behaviour has been observed many times with several folks
on-list asking for some professionalism in communication. There must
be some form of consequence, I feel.

Thanks.

-- 
Dustin Wheeler | Software Developer
NC State University
mdwheele@ncsu.edu
"If you don't know where you're going, it's easy to iteratively not get there."