Newsgroups: php.internals Path: news.php.net Xref: news.php.net php.internals:101328 Return-Path: Mailing-List: contact internals-help@lists.php.net; run by ezmlm Delivered-To: mailing list internals@lists.php.net Received: (qmail 99773 invoked from network); 12 Dec 2017 06:39:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.php.net) (127.0.0.1) by localhost with SMTP; 12 Dec 2017 06:39:01 -0000 Authentication-Results: pb1.pair.com smtp.mail=smalyshev@gmail.com; spf=pass; sender-id=pass Authentication-Results: pb1.pair.com header.from=smalyshev@gmail.com; sender-id=pass Received-SPF: pass (pb1.pair.com: domain gmail.com designates 74.125.83.51 as permitted sender) X-PHP-List-Original-Sender: smalyshev@gmail.com X-Host-Fingerprint: 74.125.83.51 mail-pg0-f51.google.com Received: from [74.125.83.51] ([74.125.83.51:43713] helo=mail-pg0-f51.google.com) by pb1.pair.com (ecelerity 2.1.1.9-wez r(12769M)) with ESMTP id F9/D0-53433-3897F2A5 for ; Tue, 12 Dec 2017 01:39:00 -0500 Received: by mail-pg0-f51.google.com with SMTP id b18so12786256pgv.10 for ; Mon, 11 Dec 2017 22:38:59 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=subject:to:references:from:message-id:date:user-agent:mime-version :in-reply-to:content-language:content-transfer-encoding; bh=VD/FC5s9N2uqLzsx+4wrOU6aIRQFqTr8v8A4uqFuL50=; b=QHsq8+04h7c7hfxJr4E0TVpvqIWl4lOjOVTYIMmTYY1JJP1nQh9yq4bkFxTl5iyMbb iRLuAsVSPaFrwFnIOvYiYJc6+hMuHuWFBU0DTkz7gutjNB1mnt0ElXc38nhlFyUMKx7i xrBrQMcFqlRe1/6ty14y5tHHUKbz5V7Yg1z5Jk0MIBJkvIHeWcrTVpqkGWMYN+wtbN+G iFRgGEBmx2O8f7pk+4/BZvzSNpXGYLosP3OMpeTymaccj4FrIbT9VReiA5tnM4xKwCt0 JBRcqmSb6BUrrRv0ph4Kc30O9A0fyoZ0U2uH9l3AK3zsQC0IMB+zDNld4UcsgCCvvMie /5JA== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:subject:to:references:from:message-id:date :user-agent:mime-version:in-reply-to:content-language :content-transfer-encoding; bh=VD/FC5s9N2uqLzsx+4wrOU6aIRQFqTr8v8A4uqFuL50=; b=dEUffLVx7tcdfEzrZSGQlmsee+fkGA+EmBaUr5BeYwl7W5HVFSZoYn5Hh3XWuCxOSk gKSZ038N1ikeoXbUda6Pf38JQ4TvGoNrAvymz3cVqjxUf7h2EO7Y9uin382Y5EAahOp2 tEmCmYPEyGP7DfHoRJQ5Tciss7EPXhOWL07SXtog7cZInK2NzUPv5ehNuQ58IrAPWgFZ WO3xiKkbL+AtjlnBr1nbFR560TZLNiPXdyAoiAz/EVzCM88+a9t3vniceFouhnVUI8Xt GLMOMv0QruO+ECqQfcwi3sMAkSdTCVSfgrWghVf6fF1uf2t3mVhBzLsockyhFqzWP85Z RedQ== X-Gm-Message-State: AKGB3mL9G0yENvz0YTdHiZY6CqtECMqJQ0ZoiIRwZVadkgUwAxC32cB3 47eKwAlXE/TgHdW4xkiHe00/NZA= X-Google-Smtp-Source: ACJfBosyPEYB7IzVa5VnQTuQkGRci7zoNYiddkanmknaSE96KCqUsJxna60pDlO9CZtUkDxqgxB6sA== X-Received: by 10.101.82.65 with SMTP id q1mr1114726pgp.55.1513060736646; Mon, 11 Dec 2017 22:38:56 -0800 (PST) Received: from Stas-Pro-2016.local (c-73-71-144-171.hsd1.ca.comcast.net. [73.71.144.171]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id 69sm29802637pft.11.2017.12.11.22.38.55 (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Mon, 11 Dec 2017 22:38:56 -0800 (PST) To: =?UTF-8?Q?Johannes_Schl=c3=bcter?= , Nikita Popov , PHP internals References: <1512911576.12039.8.camel@schlueters.de> Message-ID: <274a646a-4e56-81fe-ac52-015da2bebc6f@gmail.com> Date: Mon, 11 Dec 2017 22:38:54 -0800 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.12; rv:52.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/52.5.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <1512911576.12039.8.camel@schlueters.de> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Language: en-US Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: [PHP-DEV] [RFC] Explicit call-site send-by-ref syntax From: smalyshev@gmail.com (Stanislav Malyshev) Hi! > I would rather discourage usage of references. Since PHP 7 the cost of > breaking cow isn't as expensive anymore, but receiving values by value > and returning by value is more idiomatic imo. Using objects can be more > efficient. Objects are kind of overkill when you just need a modifyable array. And copying an array when you just need to add one value to a K-size array is still not a good idea for many apps. O(n) vs O(n^2) still matters. One should definitely be careful not to overuse refs, but there are still valid cases for using them. -- Stas Malyshev smalyshev@gmail.com