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Subject: Re: [PHP-DEV] Outstanding php.net account requests
From: johannes@schlueters.de (Johannes =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Schl=FCter?=)

On Di, 2017-12-05 at 14:57 +0100, Christoph M. Becker wrote:
> On 05.12.2017 at 14:34, Pedro Magalhães wrote:
> 
> > 
> > On Tue, Dec 5, 2017 at 12:49 PM, Johannes Schlüter <johannes@schlue
> > ters.de>
> > wrote:
> > 
> > > 
> > > we currently have 118 outstanding php.net account requests going
> > > back
> > > to October 2016. If you recently tried to onboard somebody could
> > > you
> > > verify whether they are still unapproved? If somebody creates a
> > > mass-
> > > edit interface this would also be great, as the CSRF protection
> > > makes
> > > deleting obvious spam requests a bit more annoying than it
> > > neeeded. :-D
> > > 
> > > If you see legit requests drop me (or somebody else with powers)
> > > a note
> > > (including what kind of svn/git karma is needed) and I can set it
> > > up.
> > > 
> > > https://master.php.net/manage/users.php?search=&order=&forward=0&
> > > begin=
> > > 0&max=20&unapproved=1 (I believe this is visible to all @php.net
> > > account holders)
> > To add to that, AFAIK new requests via http://php.net/git-php.php
> > are not
> > sending the e-mail they should to this mailing list (PHP Group).
> > Hence the
> > large number of outstanding requests without follow-up.
> An additional issue is that many account requests are made for PECL
> accounts as well, and not everybody who has karma to approve or
> reject
> VCS account requests has karma to handle PECL account requests.
> Furthermore, while some have karma to approve VCS accounts, they may
> not
> have karma to grant karma – so approving the accounts without
> granting
> actual karma does not really make sense.

One question we need to answer there is "what should pecl be"? Do we
want to bring PECL extensions onto php infrastructure (shared bug
tracker, git.php.net which gives control to php.net i.e. for finding
successors) or should PECL be a repository with pointers to github and
therelike? In the first case we should work on unifying the accounts.
In the later case we should look into sizing the PECL site down and try
to have an "pecl" installer which can fetch stuff directly from git,
similar to packagist.org, then we could simplify the process there ..


For discrepancy between access rights - I assume we could extend those
lists. For master the list is in http://git.php.net/?p=web/master.git;a
=blob;f=include/functions.inc;h=b988e1b4a9589e186a24c44553ada7fa1b4f9b6
3;hb=HEAD#l410
and has many inactive people, out of the 25 I guess there are about 5
active ones (I'm not really active, so I don't know and would leave it
to others to decide who should be added)

 411   $admins = array(
 412     "jimw",
 413     "rasmus",
 414     "andrei",
 415     "zeev",
 416     "andi",
 417     "sas",
 418     "thies",
 419     "rubys",
 420     "ssb",
 421     "wez",
 422     "philip",
 423     "davidc",
 424     "helly",
 425     "derick",
 426     "bjori",
 427     "pajoye",
 428     "danbrown",
 429     "felipe",
 430     "johannes",
 431     "tyrael",
 432     "salathe",
 433     "cmb",
 434     "kalle",
 435     "krakjoe"
 436   );

For granting karma the list is in http://svn.php.net/viewvc/SVNROOT/glo
bal_avail?revision=343578&view=markup

    # Some people also have access to the configuration files in the
    SVNROOT.
    avail|sterling,goba,imajes,wez,iliaa,derick,jon,alan_k,jmcastagnetto
    ,mj,pajoye,helly,philip,stas,johannes,gwynne,lsmith,bjori,dsp,felipe
    ,tyrael,salathe,krakjoe|SVNROOT
    [...]
    # But members of the PHP Group get access to everything.
    avail|andi,andrei,jimw,rasmus,rubys,sas,ssb,thies,zeev,shane

For PECL I'd have to figure out where this is stored :-)

Overall we should try to welcome contributors - if legit contributors
have to wait for a year it's bad.


johannes