Newsgroups: php.internals Path: news.php.net Xref: news.php.net php.internals:101109 Return-Path: Mailing-List: contact internals-help@lists.php.net; run by ezmlm Delivered-To: mailing list internals@lists.php.net Received: (qmail 26301 invoked from network); 8 Nov 2017 14:56:59 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.php.net) (127.0.0.1) by localhost with SMTP; 8 Nov 2017 14:56:59 -0000 Authentication-Results: pb1.pair.com smtp.mail=rasmus@lerdorf.com; spf=pass; sender-id=pass Authentication-Results: pb1.pair.com header.from=rasmus@lerdorf.com; sender-id=pass Received-SPF: pass (pb1.pair.com: domain lerdorf.com designates 209.85.218.41 as permitted sender) X-PHP-List-Original-Sender: rasmus@lerdorf.com X-Host-Fingerprint: 209.85.218.41 mail-oi0-f41.google.com Received: from [209.85.218.41] ([209.85.218.41:54987] helo=mail-oi0-f41.google.com) by pb1.pair.com (ecelerity 2.1.1.9-wez r(12769M)) with ESMTP id C5/E5-15386-A3B130A5 for ; Wed, 08 Nov 2017 09:56:58 -0500 Received: by mail-oi0-f41.google.com with SMTP id a132so2095602oih.11 for ; Wed, 08 Nov 2017 06:56:58 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=lerdorf-com.20150623.gappssmtp.com; s=20150623; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc; bh=XN0ygwNxdKduWLmruqQXZvU7o0chUTYtT76g5haxx10=; b=XZYelvHXGXkl27skmR/JlT9U8SiyMiUyRCN+1wZJKnnYoZ/B3Tu4LsOzruUbJSU13U LWRfQYxSHiX13gdpu2oDKMtVrCBBswbZO/gQYbWJMyqx3rTjk5gCbKpttplRNgH2zL9Q MwSZIPfvSyUBqBPjmkWLPlkNIilcQfx74+Eoqx+a3Rjdmp/uJ9mimmYoqHy9igwUO5bc EBv6nXabmbQpUmEBrK2Bqd8J9MeOrYF3Lr/4RD/BuZdlUSHS3AYIascua5zqlV0Gnyo+ 4EL60EF3Rug6xyKrRXDAvne6pomBf+SZ6+mRzXzgMOPEOvVSZn8IN6VISLpAiAc7crBo jZwQ== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=XN0ygwNxdKduWLmruqQXZvU7o0chUTYtT76g5haxx10=; b=DMKZsihLZH1TFHBPzHxBCw68pYMjHBoVtdXb7ZiVTC/anFsy+zyfWlJDDt6ed/T0gh 0yYt/zWKUpvFQ2Yz7/pt9qTP4C3DMldTm+pmjqCpdVmCdacfjCHusfdk05GqGpuRDUbe JTyjHTbi51ncP2P0LwdTr0hpRpii6SnUgIMX36WP5Lr5+di3YnGUjB74x0IwXJoK3u5I Ezc02T5p4o53gihVBRjoNQ/TyAVbTrZiLFzZs7XVBh2RnY0iyt9mWJKMivcgiqn21KON CyrkBYg4XL0mlKt7LFmXw7Pi/hURc64GT2QL2/RBuWObqCJSGDUzRQCEr6NVyXMP+oZi Os4A== X-Gm-Message-State: AJaThX5J62jFJfIjv/HdzoYB7KTINqOGAIeekEF0xNBRq2IDAgZeK9SO Eak3vIw7fc/9i1sfTGCdHwI+bqkhdMCnrDuylt0NIw== X-Google-Smtp-Source: ABhQp+Q0VtgGs3Qrn4A+EjbI1vZLHzIsmdxBlxKI6LX40KmA96YL5L3R+pbYhTJAL0/sNBqUxF/TrON+OssvQoNfI8s= X-Received: by 10.202.218.7 with SMTP id r7mr448915oig.307.1510153015469; Wed, 08 Nov 2017 06:56:55 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.74.184.146 with HTTP; Wed, 8 Nov 2017 06:56:14 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: References: <077d8e99-3aac-c9ca-bce4-aa90c98ed075@heigl.org> <1510070893.27420.85.camel@ctankersley.com> Date: Wed, 8 Nov 2017 15:56:14 +0100 Message-ID: To: Sara Golemon Cc: Chris , PHP internals , =?UTF-8?Q?Pedro_Magalh=C3=A3es?= Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="001a113d15fe0b417e055d79e60a" Subject: Re: [PHP-DEV] Re: PHP's mail servers suck From: rasmus@lerdorf.com (Rasmus Lerdorf) --001a113d15fe0b417e055d79e60a Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" It isn't super-helpful to publicly shame our active volunteers. On Wed, Nov 8, 2017 at 3:33 PM, Sara Golemon wrote: > On Wed, Nov 8, 2017 at 9:11 AM, Rasmus Lerdorf wrote: > > So please report that directly to systems@ (that's what it is there > for) and > > cc sascha@ specifically since he maintains php-smtp2. And php-smtp2 has > been > > around less than a year, so if you haven't reported it since the > changeover > > they probably never saw a report. > > > Yes, I'm aware of the systems@ distribution list. As you well know > I've emailed it many times about various concerns, MOST of which are > promptly responded to. This one has never been dealt with, hence the > public shaming. The email server got replaced recently? Great, > doesn't mean it fixed anything. > > If being an asshole publicly gets me the same response as being polite > privately, then I might as well be public about it. > > -Sara > --001a113d15fe0b417e055d79e60a--