Newsgroups: php.internals Path: news.php.net Xref: news.php.net php.internals:101108 Return-Path: Mailing-List: contact internals-help@lists.php.net; run by ezmlm Delivered-To: mailing list internals@lists.php.net Received: (qmail 24073 invoked from network); 8 Nov 2017 14:33:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.php.net) (127.0.0.1) by localhost with SMTP; 8 Nov 2017 14:33:44 -0000 Authentication-Results: pb1.pair.com header.from=php@golemon.com; sender-id=softfail Authentication-Results: pb1.pair.com smtp.mail=php@golemon.com; spf=softfail; sender-id=softfail Received-SPF: softfail (pb1.pair.com: domain golemon.com does not designate 209.85.220.180 as permitted sender) X-PHP-List-Original-Sender: php@golemon.com X-Host-Fingerprint: 209.85.220.180 mail-qk0-f180.google.com Received: from [209.85.220.180] ([209.85.220.180:52097] helo=mail-qk0-f180.google.com) by pb1.pair.com (ecelerity 2.1.1.9-wez r(12769M)) with ESMTP id CF/85-15386-7C5130A5 for ; Wed, 08 Nov 2017 09:33:44 -0500 Received: by mail-qk0-f180.google.com with SMTP id n66so3518934qki.8 for ; Wed, 08 Nov 2017 06:33:43 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=golemon-com.20150623.gappssmtp.com; s=20150623; h=mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id :subject:to:cc; bh=qpbnX9v+M98A+iLMMyXPx1Z84jYiREcIIV4gd3hHqBU=; b=yv4n/4d+GWJlgmEHHukhzTx5v0L4ay+A+y0zWGJMF1BYf5D3nanfbauU5qeRIIYZhu awgiNUQxQTx8FwKamqu2ONlUnRxTYwHqF+SATomz5dIisQY5SJWOAVlZjc9YJAFA5fcL jWTwx4Cvg/+AMpHAzmD/5DuPAfrhBerx5DtONxlNQcmPAG/fCpXEcBI2123vGlboOzqq 6+XUPOKumFq9TOC85MeINWSjViizQDqNR5O/lZQ6bw9zwNsHzS0Us1sNFSW8SabJNnlu R7OBqa6oWm5U+6RWUk2Ki+HexCjJsio75QFPoDxUZM15kzAok6nU7+vlCm4DT50bX4tK vLzw== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:from :date:message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=qpbnX9v+M98A+iLMMyXPx1Z84jYiREcIIV4gd3hHqBU=; b=p6Bbeg/Ba5gJAX/aMnxJ4IAQ/JJTAnibip2Gslgxeg6fNgCRumz4WIfqrrKyYQENX8 oq2Ml6HMSxC9LeRiR4XnaVTEBYwOKDHVBttuOpLEMRw1VF2g0UhNs/ReF8peNZ2QnQI7 cpz54jxTD1rEFiNsNV5rZ+HUg1DXDiqy/xOhrIW9L5eyC8dNy1h40dTnb/TWjQSqxt0Z 4yLEgtkwul7KkJ9v8dxHOcpLPJSeOHDuuBj/Bx0sU6W6PDvJ01mGaXhGX4014sTpZS3z V3hYW+O8FAf/2WGNrTvSkPAY4P5RqPmqJx9qPjUaWIxW5QB7TQgeXBlfnxuFb/PZJ5RC XfLA== X-Gm-Message-State: AJaThX4Me59SPhaFVMm/59NkIiA+y5kYJMcKD1I3QInRt5nAMk3fIUMC yrU/YgNDnz3DyqboBt1eovzatIWdNZH0entWmrB4dwiT X-Google-Smtp-Source: AGs4zMbxa4XJD3+mhDRLEDXcZ0pvElXPKBFqIcbgIuc4YH5egsrDn/o6HUPvlshMOtzSEFb6mqclRtNun5gAOcKfpEs= X-Received: by 10.55.101.4 with SMTP id z4mr1074461qkb.114.1510151621045; Wed, 08 Nov 2017 06:33:41 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Sender: php@golemon.com Received: by 10.12.156.1 with HTTP; Wed, 8 Nov 2017 06:33:40 -0800 (PST) X-Originating-IP: [194.74.0.66] In-Reply-To: References: <077d8e99-3aac-c9ca-bce4-aa90c98ed075@heigl.org> <1510070893.27420.85.camel@ctankersley.com> Date: Wed, 8 Nov 2017 09:33:40 -0500 X-Google-Sender-Auth: uDsItyUTmzjZTUe5nutvJ18H9o8 Message-ID: To: Rasmus Lerdorf Cc: Chris , PHP internals , =?UTF-8?Q?Pedro_Magalh=C3=A3es?= Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Subject: Re: [PHP-DEV] Re: PHP's mail servers suck From: pollita@php.net (Sara Golemon) On Wed, Nov 8, 2017 at 9:11 AM, Rasmus Lerdorf wrote: > So please report that directly to systems@ (that's what it is there for) and > cc sascha@ specifically since he maintains php-smtp2. And php-smtp2 has been > around less than a year, so if you haven't reported it since the changeover > they probably never saw a report. > Yes, I'm aware of the systems@ distribution list. As you well know I've emailed it many times about various concerns, MOST of which are promptly responded to. This one has never been dealt with, hence the public shaming. The email server got replaced recently? Great, doesn't mean it fixed anything. If being an asshole publicly gets me the same response as being polite privately, then I might as well be public about it. -Sara