Newsgroups: php.internals Path: news.php.net Xref: news.php.net php.internals:101102 Return-Path: Mailing-List: contact internals-help@lists.php.net; run by ezmlm Delivered-To: mailing list internals@lists.php.net Received: (qmail 11686 invoked from network); 8 Nov 2017 12:40:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.php.net) (127.0.0.1) by localhost with SMTP; 8 Nov 2017 12:40:18 -0000 Authentication-Results: pb1.pair.com header.from=lists@rhsoft.net; sender-id=pass Authentication-Results: pb1.pair.com smtp.mail=lists@rhsoft.net; spf=pass; sender-id=pass Received-SPF: pass (pb1.pair.com: domain rhsoft.net designates 91.118.73.15 as permitted sender) X-PHP-List-Original-Sender: lists@rhsoft.net X-Host-Fingerprint: 91.118.73.15 mail.thelounge.net Received: from [91.118.73.15] ([91.118.73.15:43037] helo=mail.thelounge.net) by pb1.pair.com (ecelerity 2.1.1.9-wez r(12769M)) with ESMTP id A8/63-15386-13BF20A5 for ; Wed, 08 Nov 2017 07:40:18 -0500 Received: from rh.thelounge.net (Authenticated sender: h.reindl@thelounge.net) by mail.thelounge.net (THELOUNGE MTA) with ESMTPSA id 3yX5VQ1KcbzXMb for ; Wed, 8 Nov 2017 13:40:14 +0100 (CET) To: internals@lists.php.net References: <077d8e99-3aac-c9ca-bce4-aa90c98ed075@heigl.org> <1510070893.27420.85.camel@ctankersley.com> <7b074035-57db-5e36-384e-147ad9d26489@gmx.de> <67f497ca-7704-2328-0319-83efb23a57bc@rhsoft.net> Message-ID: Date: Wed, 8 Nov 2017 13:40:13 +0100 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:52.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/52.4.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Language: de-CH Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: [PHP-DEV] Re: PHP's mail servers suck From: lists@rhsoft.net ("lists@rhsoft.net") Am 08.11.2017 um 13:36 schrieb Michael Kliewe: > Am 08.11.2017 um 13:27 schrieb lists@rhsoft.net: >> >> Am 08.11.2017 um 12:59 schrieb Michael Kliewe: >>> The PHP mailing list software is not configured DMARC compliant. DMARC >>> means, either SPF or DKIM has to be valid. The PHP mailing list changes >>> the Subject (it adds [PHP-xxxx]), that's why the DKIM signature breaks. >>> SPF breaks, because Gmail and others don't include the IP address of the >>> PHP mailing list mailserver in their SPF records. So SPF also fails. >> >> nonsense - a mailing list does not forward with the original envelope >> >> Return-Path: internals-return-101098-lists=rhsoft.net@lists.php.net >> Received-SPF: Pass (mailfrom) identity=mailfrom; client-ip=76.75.200.58 >> > nonsense. Read about DMARC alignment > I was talking about the From: header. I just wanted to explain a bit, > not in every detail (DMARC alignment for example). > > No need to be rude the from header has no business with SPF - period DMARC is a different story