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Date: Wed, 8 Nov 2017 06:09:34 -0500
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To: Rasmus Lerdorf <rasmus@lerdorf.com>
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	Chris <chris@ctankersley.com>, PHP internals <internals@lists.php.net>
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Subject: Re: [PHP-DEV] Re: PHP's mail servers suck
From: pollita@php.net (Sara Golemon)

On Wed, Nov 8, 2017 at 2:51 AM, Rasmus Lerdorf <rasmus@lerdorf.com> wrote:
> On Tue, Nov 7, 2017 at 5:44 PM, Pedro Magalh=C3=A3es <mail@pmmaga.net> wr=
ote:
>
>> I'm not sure if the people who have access to the machines follow this
>> mailing list as well, so I would suggest reaching out directly to the
>> people listed as having access to the mailing lists machine (you can fin=
d
>> that list here: https://wiki.php.net/systems/pb1).
>>
>> Also, there seems to be a systems@ mailing list as well (mentioned here:
>> https://externals.io/message/97214) which may yield some actual response
>> from the people involved.
>>
>
> Just saw this thread today. Yes, Pedro is right, infrastructure discussio=
n
> belongs on systems@ not internals.
>
> So please send your volunteer requests there, but not just a generic offe=
r
> to help. Please include a concrete description of what you plan on doing.
> As in which software or configuration changes. If it is just replace ezml=
m
> with Mailman, then you are going to have to make a really really strong
> case for why you think a sideways migration like that will make any
> difference. It is also important to understand the difference between the
> list server and the mail server responsibilities.
>
Without any generally available information about the existing email
infrastructure, it's hard to make targeted comments about how to fix
what is obviously broken with this system which literally nobody with
the ability to fix cares about.  That means a either a conversation
(which should be a shared experience (therefore internals@) or an
essentially open request for "I'd like to help, but I'll need the
ability to poke around to figure out wtf is going on".

-Sara