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Subject: Re: [PHP-DEV] Re: PHP's mail servers suck
From: chris@ctankersley.com (Chris)

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On Tue, 2017-11-07 at 16:54 +0100, Andreas Heigl wrote:
> Am 07.11.17 um 16:40 schrieb Eli White:
> > On Tue, Nov 7, 2017 at 9:07 AM, Peter Lind <peter.e.lind@gmail.com>
> > wrote:
> >=20
> > > Might be worth noting that fixing the mailing lists does not
> > > amount to
> > > taking on the php.net mail servers. The two are separate - just
> > > in case
> > > someone should be up for one, but not both tasks.
> > >=20
> >=20
> > In this case I believe that they are one and the same Peter.=C2=A0=C2=
=A0=C2=A0As
> > the
> > issues with the mailing list(s), are actually issues with the mail
> > server
> > itself.=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0And Andreas is correct.=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=
=A0Multiple times in the past
> > people have
> > stepped up and offered to help out.=C2=A0=C2=A0But they've either not b=
een
> > given any
> > information how to do so (silence).=C2=A0=C2=A0Or in a couple cases whe=
re I
> > know
> > someone was brought into discussion, they were shipped off with a
> > 'talk to
> > person X', and person X ended up being "don't need help, I've got
> > it".
> >=20
> > Really seems we have an issue here of "failure of democratic
> > rule".=C2=A0=C2=A0No-one
> > is empowered to tell someone that they can take it on.=C2=A0=C2=A0No-on=
e even
> > knows
> > who/how to give access to someone to take it on.=C2=A0=C2=A0And in the =
rare
> > case that
> > someone does have the ability to give someone access, it's never
> > granted.
> >=20
> > We need a way for infrastructure stuff like like to have a solid
> > point
> > person, who can give others power to handle things.=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0So=
unds like
> > we have
> > some people willing to help out.=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0(Andreas?=C2=A0=C2=A0=
Sara?) =E2=80=94 People just
> > need to
> > give them access and let things happen.
>=20
> I'm (still) in!

I'd be willing to help out as well. I've offered to help with server
work in the past, and have plenty of internals users that can vouch for
me.

>=20
> Cheers
>=20
> Andreas
>=20

-Chris
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