Newsgroups: php.internals Path: news.php.net Xref: news.php.net php.internals:101086 Return-Path: Mailing-List: contact internals-help@lists.php.net; run by ezmlm Delivered-To: mailing list internals@lists.php.net Received: (qmail 42303 invoked from network); 7 Nov 2017 13:48:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.php.net) (127.0.0.1) by localhost with SMTP; 7 Nov 2017 13:48:11 -0000 Authentication-Results: pb1.pair.com header.from=eli@eliw.com; sender-id=pass Authentication-Results: pb1.pair.com smtp.mail=eli@eliw.com; spf=pass; sender-id=pass Received-SPF: pass (pb1.pair.com: domain eliw.com designates 209.85.220.182 as permitted sender) X-PHP-List-Original-Sender: eli@eliw.com X-Host-Fingerprint: 209.85.220.182 mail-qk0-f182.google.com Received: from [209.85.220.182] ([209.85.220.182:55531] helo=mail-qk0-f182.google.com) by pb1.pair.com (ecelerity 2.1.1.9-wez r(12769M)) with ESMTP id 5C/43-09857-499B10A5 for ; Tue, 07 Nov 2017 08:48:07 -0500 Received: by mail-qk0-f182.google.com with SMTP id x195so9644910qkb.12 for ; Tue, 07 Nov 2017 05:48:07 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=eliw-com.20150623.gappssmtp.com; s=20150623; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc; bh=nwt3wcbAOKs9L5U29Q5dWmgJMD9P9RaJekuV4wohQr8=; b=1nYxKDkDMJ8qJJGsCKbXQQN91jkWUlEEhwPFcdUZgltePZkZR1F931fWoTqFqmvJsP qHXLWjLwhn5ZxuzYSXhnSrRW2psJJOe+PUQsq1Zr8GA/Smo63DxQKo2rKVXGdabq7Rri YD0/nfuSoCbETxnhzuH5PxWZOuUHvDAbTpZVo1QffmthvbnA4FYiycU4+8qpyTvBnQcO oPm/dAensxmq+0JelP/xcJo+ofke1pQ5UuX3QjqphowwUw6P/yMAXHGPmyiak06OZwV9 BkxOEWo3KhoQGGgXnkRETSgqsaKugSlWUxkGkfK4ovTzHIvIWQ2GlIvxAMMafCOj6aAe K28Q== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=nwt3wcbAOKs9L5U29Q5dWmgJMD9P9RaJekuV4wohQr8=; b=RMsm95IMSV2mgvysVZpI44eyD4k3p5H06TJXmKfV/wM6uZ42KYNkgaW2teqhC8xVN7 N+6lfEIfL4Fs7YpBf9I7fQEq2ztQj5v6r6UXr6REYM3b2PkuQqU/CoVFE99vXp+QQreZ xO4Q2i4uMTy8uS4hnfcVqOdmC9a3j2b51aLtbrdsg2dh1ErLBI3piTOnNJiu0CYIppBn pZy5kujt85sNmR8RMYJXSKvgSfCilmiQy0vE5yeuPNAeN8s3Po58xptDkzt3+Bwk5x+c OtOzia9x1uNuqYhd5claJ74vZinWPHuKcNBuE4XuyxabhPJxfSAN40opLDCwznIWCmux NwzQ== X-Gm-Message-State: AMCzsaWs/avH1irWUVOBvCzstBgD3TiiKg6gj47gr2NfwBTzl1r3JETw KZKoe+wADrD6Q6z5j027vfeg2o0RempoE7u5+HOO1A== X-Google-Smtp-Source: ABhQp+TqfYWmf6iUJL5Vq+pbxaNLv6TnlK2HDoeCS6+E6UctoPaOX8zw/tHKoSOfPalu9NN9WjEiHoDR4AkPXJauLuE= X-Received: by 10.55.184.71 with SMTP id i68mr25415994qkf.150.1510062484629; Tue, 07 Nov 2017 05:48:04 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.140.30.202 with HTTP; Tue, 7 Nov 2017 05:48:03 -0800 (PST) X-Originating-IP: [73.87.144.72] In-Reply-To: References: Date: Tue, 7 Nov 2017 08:48:03 -0500 Message-ID: To: Sara Golemon Cc: PHP internals Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="94eb2c076f66fc3e0a055d64d183" Subject: Re: [PHP-DEV] Re: PHP's mail servers suck From: eli@eliw.com (Eli White) --94eb2c076f66fc3e0a055d64d183 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Just chiming in that I have constantly had issues (since you asked for hands), get emails denied (let's see if this one goes through), and semi-constant threads of being auto-removed because of bounces that have nothing to do with me (see above gmail discussion). Yeah, it sucks. And it's been brought up in the past. And invariably it all falls back to "Oh, only one person really knew how to maintain that random mail server and they aren't active anymore, and now no-one really does, so it just keeps running and no-one wants to take the effort to try to update/fix/move it" Eli PS. Not it On Tue, Nov 7, 2017 at 8:38 AM, Sara Golemon wrote: > Biweekly reminder that PHP mail servers suck. > > On Wed, Oct 25, 2017 at 10:30 AM, Sara Golemon wrote: > > Quick show of hands: Who's had a "looks like spam" bounce from php.net > > mail servers in the past... lets say the past month. > > Or how about the fact that new users tend to have a very hard time > > even subscribing to this list? > > This isn't directed at any one person because AFAICT, the maintainer > > of those systems is "nobody". > > Is it time to pick someone to actually maintain that pile of mierde? > > Maybe replace the pieces that haven't worked since the 90s? > > > > Fed up with something this basic not working, > > -Sara > > -- > PHP Internals - PHP Runtime Development Mailing List > To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php > > --94eb2c076f66fc3e0a055d64d183--