Newsgroups: php.internals Path: news.php.net Xref: news.php.net php.internals:101085 Return-Path: Mailing-List: contact internals-help@lists.php.net; run by ezmlm Delivered-To: mailing list internals@lists.php.net Received: (qmail 40053 invoked from network); 7 Nov 2017 13:38:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.php.net) (127.0.0.1) by localhost with SMTP; 7 Nov 2017 13:38:22 -0000 Authentication-Results: pb1.pair.com smtp.mail=php@golemon.com; spf=softfail; sender-id=softfail Authentication-Results: pb1.pair.com header.from=php@golemon.com; sender-id=softfail Received-SPF: softfail (pb1.pair.com: domain golemon.com does not designate 209.85.216.176 as permitted sender) X-PHP-List-Original-Sender: php@golemon.com X-Host-Fingerprint: 209.85.216.176 mail-qt0-f176.google.com Received: from [209.85.216.176] ([209.85.216.176:49416] helo=mail-qt0-f176.google.com) by pb1.pair.com (ecelerity 2.1.1.9-wez r(12769M)) with ESMTP id D9/D2-09857-E47B10A5 for ; Tue, 07 Nov 2017 08:38:22 -0500 Received: by mail-qt0-f176.google.com with SMTP id k31so15175323qta.6 for ; Tue, 07 Nov 2017 05:38:24 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=golemon-com.20150623.gappssmtp.com; s=20150623; h=mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id :subject:to; bh=k7uf07XtphIpKNdUeTgsVSC3Dwt1KirvkUU+QreHSwE=; b=J5KHCCsoXBRZIPiyIRHVVd0ZY/1lcymKC8+ggkLm3HqLCOClaokRmKQi2qqWG8sF/O dePtGluyCtUJ4SAMzjBR/GRmIAQz81G0RSxXLuOvyVL2Qtj1i661xbExsTLsTgVhTrPX iz9+YZTjthsiYUONr+15yb9hiHbHPUf8pzqaXYBYfgtjvfbyvNYZV7h2Wbbk47IKsoCI CFqzaSX8xLFmCD1cSsp3yAFRvoaczyVlAD6m570R92G+Gwv9kyj5ND7SocOyGwn3USAA XlgTn7vbScwH9qg1XA+9m29tXlHemJIdXX7kPE/sGO0ZdQtU43+UrrgvvDccguV3eAUL bJ+g== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:from :date:message-id:subject:to; bh=k7uf07XtphIpKNdUeTgsVSC3Dwt1KirvkUU+QreHSwE=; b=gu3HVxZO5vPTEqSarrjPBG5VOnHr4HyJcvJioaedC8mT4i12aLC04swMAx2TzZGkvd W4U47h8t/04x9gm5HAwmoMnhwPrEgFPT5siaVQoknFodFkS5VO2/ev39Y//wa8wWN5b1 npJlVTo1VnDQO5Kc9fRkTkNgrG4YaJp4dZTHXgbQjqsiSvcXqCVhcNi02kobmCc66Sal +Bo5IE7dODOhHuEoGnFxSKeTClLtw05UOU0Xw/css7STzNHX3L3bD+z+IbfWGriPA5WQ JdLtPZdNHQ6ekaiN+GJIlBStaShO1zMoa+c2yoSDPYRzEcbwXNkygYdwRT9vDEURLerJ PTjw== X-Gm-Message-State: AMCzsaXp9buz2hLYQCzeZjPO1NFDfYueSMQQMGOTsbdzCl48R9xUAkdk IEr4SFnTtfLT4U8fkEPYG4kv4xR8LgNUHlktvz3JAMcG X-Google-Smtp-Source: ABhQp+QtHKtaMpUkoDZbiBQU9JS32YrM6P31lmFbGO33F6izaX5ifRSaxBrKHFmPwDQtunJ5AQ+QZc7PReFjtgV0wLE= X-Received: by 10.237.53.176 with SMTP id c45mr29038944qte.311.1510061901603; Tue, 07 Nov 2017 05:38:21 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Sender: php@golemon.com Received: by 10.12.156.1 with HTTP; Tue, 7 Nov 2017 05:38:21 -0800 (PST) X-Originating-IP: [206.252.215.26] In-Reply-To: References: Date: Tue, 7 Nov 2017 08:38:21 -0500 X-Google-Sender-Auth: ryq4DnJyAeOkx71FOlNY3CJWsGI Message-ID: To: PHP internals Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Subject: Re: PHP's mail servers suck From: pollita@php.net (Sara Golemon) Biweekly reminder that PHP mail servers suck. On Wed, Oct 25, 2017 at 10:30 AM, Sara Golemon wrote: > Quick show of hands: Who's had a "looks like spam" bounce from php.net > mail servers in the past... lets say the past month. > Or how about the fact that new users tend to have a very hard time > even subscribing to this list? > This isn't directed at any one person because AFAICT, the maintainer > of those systems is "nobody". > Is it time to pick someone to actually maintain that pile of mierde? > Maybe replace the pieces that haven't worked since the 90s? > > Fed up with something this basic not working, > -Sara