Newsgroups: php.internals Path: news.php.net Xref: news.php.net php.internals:101079 Return-Path: Mailing-List: contact internals-help@lists.php.net; run by ezmlm Delivered-To: mailing list internals@lists.php.net Received: (qmail 24865 invoked from network); 7 Nov 2017 11:43:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.php.net) (127.0.0.1) by localhost with SMTP; 7 Nov 2017 11:43:28 -0000 X-Host-Fingerprint: 62.31.75.76 76.75-31-62.static.virginmediabusiness.co.uk Received: from [62.31.75.76] ([62.31.75.76:16936] helo=localhost.localdomain) by pb1.pair.com (ecelerity 2.1.1.9-wez r(12769M)) with ESMTP id 3B/30-09857-D5C910A5 for ; Tue, 07 Nov 2017 06:43:27 -0500 Message-ID: <3B.30.09857.D5C910A5@pb1.pair.com> To: internals@lists.php.net References: <64.21.07742.EF158F95@pb1.pair.com> <71.50.09857.3BBEAF95@pb1.pair.com> <6643d10b-8703-693c-15c2-da338022ef41@rhsoft.net> <18.19.09857.3E54CF95@pb1.pair.com> <941fd347-4a17-78b6-1bd7-4a5519aa722b@rhsoft.net> <67.8E.09857.7D58DF95@pb1.pair.com> <6A.75.09857.9F6EEF95@pb1.pair.com> <55fb932f-7f61-33eb-1fd9-aa425bc6ff27@rhsoft.net> <748869f7-13bb-5bdd-6fec-399a33b790b3@rhsoft.net> <562E5C38-B46B-449D-8676-8699B59DDE4E@koalephant.com> In-Reply-To: <562E5C38-B46B-449D-8676-8699B59DDE4E@koalephant.com> Date: Tue, 7 Nov 2017 11:43:22 -0000 Lines: 1 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Importance: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Windows Live Mail 16.4.3564.1216 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V16.4.3564.1216 X-Posted-By: 62.31.75.76 Subject: Re: [PHP-DEV] Re: RFC - Array Of for PHP 7 From: TonyMarston@hotmail.com ("Tony Marston") "Stephen Reay" wrote in message news:562E5C38-B46B-449D-8676-8699B59DDE4E@koalephant.com... > > >> On 7 Nov 2017, at 17:21, Tony Marston wrote: >> >> I was around when that happened, so I know what I'm talking about. > >I'm not going to get into the whole "it can be done in userland why do we >need it in core" debate, because honestly that's a silly discussion to have >when you don't have any planned implementation to discuss the merits of. So you are quite happy to see the language filled with complicated features which do nothing but save a few keystrokes or lazy developers? >The only reason I wanted to respond was your last line, quoted above. > >Being "around" when something happens means zero as far as credibility or >knowledge. > >The captain of the titanic was "around" when it sank. Irrelevant analogy. If you read https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reduced_instruction_set_computer you will see the advantage of getting rid of complex and specialised instructions and concentrating on simple and general instructions. -- Tony Marston