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Subject: Re: [PHP-DEV] Re: RFC - Array Of for PHP 7
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Am 04.11.2017 um 10:18 schrieb Tony Marston:
> wrote in message news:941fd347-4a17-78b6-1bd7-4a5519aa722b@rhsoft.net...
>>
>> Am 03.11.2017 um 11:33 schrieb Tony Marston:
>>> wrote in message news:6643d10b-8703-693c-15c2-da338022ef41@rhsoft.net...
>>>>
>>>> Am 02.11.2017 um 10:55 schrieb Tony Marston:
>>>>> "Kalle Sommer Nielsen"  wrote in message
>>>>>> I fail to see how it offers "negative benefits to the vast number of
>>>>>> programmers who are happy with the language as it currently 
>>>>>> exists", I
>>>>>
>>>>> If it's put into the language then it affects 100% of the users, 
>>>>> but what percentage of the user base would actually take advantage 
>>>>> of this feature? If it's only 1% then for the other 99% it's a 
>>>>> complete waste of time
>>>>
>>>> how does any feature you don't use affect you?
>>>
>>> Because the language itself becomes bloated with the capabilities it 
>>> has to offer, look for and deal with. This makes it bigger and slower
>>
>> unproven claim!
> 
> It's pure common sense! You have to carry around the capability of doing 
> something, then have tests everywhere to see if that capability is 
> actually required or not at run-time.

it depends on the implementation and just beause you say so does not 
prove anything and even if you need to measure, optimize and make 
decisions based on technical facts - what you do is "mimimi i say"

> There is a big difference between adding something to the language core 
> which everyone has to load into memory, and having something in an 
> extension which is entirely optional.
> 
>> or why did 5.3, 5.4, 5.5 and 5.6 not speaking about 7.0/7.1 *all* have 
>> new features and where *faster* then the previous version - frankly 
>> you are raising alarm for no reason
> 
> PHP 7 is faster than PHP 5 for various reasons, such as it being 64bit 
> instead of 32bit

WTF, only in your windows world which don't matter that much, everywhere 
else x86_64 is normal for many years and each software

> and improvements made to the engine itself, such as 
> the AST. I submit that it would be smaller and faster if it did not have 
> to carry around so much dross. Adding something to the core language 
> just to save a few keystrokes for a small number of lazy developers 
> falls into the category of dross

you ignored that practicaly *every* PHP version before PHP/ was faster 
*and* had new features compared to the previous one