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[97.107.176.234]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id c127sm7086183pga.34.2017.10.25.15.28.03 (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Wed, 25 Oct 2017 15:28:04 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <38996353-4D10-4C38-8588-5ED543F1E631@samplonius.org> Content-Type: multipart/signed; boundary="Apple-Mail=_825ED5B7-CA0B-4818-9903-27BBB8B4248B"; protocol="application/pkcs7-signature"; micalg=sha1 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 11.0 \(3445.1.7\)) Date: Wed, 25 Oct 2017 15:28:02 -0700 In-Reply-To: Cc: "Helmut K. C. Tessarek" , PHP internals To: Aidan Woods References: <55280a2a-9ef5-7be8-c922-31d166a78972@evermeet.cx> <3a052773-7f00-9988-26a0-2d0a50b77838@evermeet.cx> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3445.1.7) Subject: Re: [PHP-DEV] PHP's mail servers suck From: tom@samplonius.org (Tom Samplonius) --Apple-Mail=_825ED5B7-CA0B-4818-9903-27BBB8B4248B Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 > On Oct 25, 2017, at 2:17 PM, Aidan Woods = wrote: >=20 >> anyways, don't reject mailing-list messages >=20 > I don't reject the messages, Google rejects the messages because of = failed > DMARC requirements. See support[.]google[.]com/mail/answer/2451690 >=20 > The error occurs when the php mailing list attempts to forward = messages > from a domain which has a (likey strict) DMARC policy, and sends = emails as > if it was the sender from the domain holding that policy. >=20 > In any case, despite failed delivery due to the policy being an issue = =E2=80=93 it > would be great if I wouldn't be unsubscribed from the mailing list = because > of an error that has nothing to do with me =F0=9F=A4=B7=E2=80=8D=E2=99=82= =EF=B8=8F I=E2=80=99m using GSuite for email, and I=E2=80=99ve never received a = warning from the php.net mail system that mail was bouncing anytime in = the past two years, nor have I been automatically unsubscribed. =20 That said, email is a lot harder than it looks. 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