Newsgroups: php.internals Path: news.php.net Xref: news.php.net php.internals:100943 Return-Path: Mailing-List: contact internals-help@lists.php.net; run by ezmlm Delivered-To: mailing list internals@lists.php.net Received: (qmail 98722 invoked from network); 25 Oct 2017 19:46:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.php.net) (127.0.0.1) by localhost with SMTP; 25 Oct 2017 19:46:29 -0000 Authentication-Results: pb1.pair.com smtp.mail=lists@rhsoft.net; spf=pass; sender-id=pass Authentication-Results: pb1.pair.com header.from=lists@rhsoft.net; sender-id=pass Received-SPF: pass (pb1.pair.com: domain rhsoft.net designates 91.118.73.15 as permitted sender) X-PHP-List-Original-Sender: lists@rhsoft.net X-Host-Fingerprint: 91.118.73.15 mail.thelounge.net Received: from [91.118.73.15] ([91.118.73.15:16659] helo=mail.thelounge.net) by pb1.pair.com (ecelerity 2.1.1.9-wez r(12769M)) with ESMTP id 5D/3C-58908-41AE0F95 for ; Wed, 25 Oct 2017 15:46:28 -0400 Received: from srv-rhsoft.rhsoft.net (Authenticated sender: h.reindl@thelounge.net) by mail.thelounge.net (THELOUNGE MTA) with ESMTPSA id 3yMgcc5qJXzXMd for ; Wed, 25 Oct 2017 21:46:24 +0200 (CEST) To: internals@lists.php.net References: <55280a2a-9ef5-7be8-c922-31d166a78972@evermeet.cx> Message-ID: <85149f61-1cfa-1803-f99e-721459ae852a@rhsoft.net> Date: Wed, 25 Oct 2017 21:46:24 +0200 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:52.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/52.4.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Language: de-CH Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: [PHP-DEV] PHP's mail servers suck From: lists@rhsoft.net ("lists@rhsoft.net") Am 25.10.2017 um 21:38 schrieb Aidan Woods: > To throw something else on the heap of things that need fixing in the mail > servers: > I occasionally get emails from the mailing list bot warning I'll be > auto-unsubscribed because messages it is sending to me are are bouncing. > (It sends me back the bounce notification it received, so I can see that > the cause is failed DMARC signing requirements on messages from a certain > domain) the wording "bounce" is wrong as you don't send active mails, you reject messages anyways, don't reject mailing-list messages mailing-lists are typically *not* a real spam problem and should be whitelisted which is easy in case of SPF on the envelope-domain spamd: result: . -100 - CUST_DNSWL_2_SENDERSC_L,CUST_DNSWL_7_ORG_L,CUST_SHORTCIRCUIT1,SHORTCIRCUIT,USER_IN_SPF_WHITELIST