Newsgroups: php.internals Path: news.php.net Xref: news.php.net php.internals:100939 Return-Path: Mailing-List: contact internals-help@lists.php.net; run by ezmlm Delivered-To: mailing list internals@lists.php.net Received: (qmail 80595 invoked from network); 25 Oct 2017 14:30:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.php.net) (127.0.0.1) by localhost with SMTP; 25 Oct 2017 14:30:33 -0000 Authentication-Results: pb1.pair.com smtp.mail=php@golemon.com; spf=softfail; sender-id=softfail Authentication-Results: pb1.pair.com header.from=php@golemon.com; sender-id=softfail Received-SPF: softfail (pb1.pair.com: domain golemon.com does not designate 209.85.216.181 as permitted sender) X-PHP-List-Original-Sender: php@golemon.com X-Host-Fingerprint: 209.85.216.181 mail-qt0-f181.google.com Received: from [209.85.216.181] ([209.85.216.181:47208] helo=mail-qt0-f181.google.com) by pb1.pair.com (ecelerity 2.1.1.9-wez r(12769M)) with ESMTP id B2/5A-58908-800A0F95 for ; Wed, 25 Oct 2017 10:30:32 -0400 Received: by mail-qt0-f181.google.com with SMTP id z50so251317qtj.4 for ; Wed, 25 Oct 2017 07:30:32 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=golemon-com.20150623.gappssmtp.com; s=20150623; h=mime-version:sender:from:date:message-id:subject:to; bh=DFler31tPl7FwJkSXQf9qQM+U8EWUfMAT4S95OEG0dE=; b=jDNm2VlDBnDS5n7vtaKYnZ3f4lyT2Y08hR703rYiaOl0m9kqvkL18udp9OKNnIp+gw LWprcHRr9Xl6Ul/PXCb8AkIg5HEvzxJaDdeH2/BiIhQ5rWd26bKU6tnuj0nU77CCAojE gCcut/fV9zxBUuiACIro0L+w8hrRH5VJxQMP9qOMH2xr8pAVRWydsTWp/P8+cKYcabP9 7GH02NpzAcB1/4eREOt1ox024WJyOC02AWANPG0tePdzTW7MFIB3MqV/Dg9uLPDcQQbo 8sxMmyTUsmQIsxHvfJ2kBroppywkeMhbRivDy9yvOP4xWE3pmQkBNXe5AUCkSmYptOmt IFsA== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:sender:from:date:message-id:subject :to; bh=DFler31tPl7FwJkSXQf9qQM+U8EWUfMAT4S95OEG0dE=; b=XbpeJUj0OFH5dPJRPbMbKlcAysX8d0KsniG+Vsed1b5Cc8qCSd/7ajGrpN/Iiz5Q2N Lkh0Q7FuI+GCpk6aa/gz7Lomg2bOfkIQCmltDVRCanUeHrIqpJB/9IcGE6XOz3nuG2NK G410rwTCkqhev5GPrFw9mUMFKD9k+XAYjHsyOdDnjaYv0B5/15jbUP/a6vskyV37YXru uTb8kVh9DlvjWnwUPgGfvlr2WUsA/iME+8YPeACcD3Cf9MEDRZPJxtVY1Z/NjujZRo0D VAEtjOjBhv5/s/hFDrxNzxxf+SmQzIhqmDv2tRJMrvXZM2Oefuq2dNxKvFF0lQoRqCAc e56g== X-Gm-Message-State: AMCzsaXRaNx2Y56edu3ElanYC3dewCWzaJGAFDSvcIeGTpPFrn2j+wPg eMkHq2hp8zgTA3B1xMFDEqPE57byMy3lmY3FPrkpqXbK X-Google-Smtp-Source: ABhQp+QUJsF+vU8bGC/d+CEUaBRF3VD0rchRssg5QylbwyDpKU3ArYUGZsmLnEbjGuzQu+M3isOSFeGpdeAssdzzSaE= X-Received: by 10.237.53.176 with SMTP id c45mr31791932qte.311.1508941829715; Wed, 25 Oct 2017 07:30:29 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Sender: php@golemon.com Received: by 10.12.156.1 with HTTP; Wed, 25 Oct 2017 07:30:29 -0700 (PDT) X-Originating-IP: [71.251.16.204] Date: Wed, 25 Oct 2017 10:30:29 -0400 X-Google-Sender-Auth: rI_zogUXltfwgeQyrZHOl1MeoH4 Message-ID: To: PHP internals Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Subject: PHP's mail servers suck From: pollita@php.net (Sara Golemon) Quick show of hands: Who's had a "looks like spam" bounce from php.net mail servers in the past... lets say the past month. Or how about the fact that new users tend to have a very hard time even subscribing to this list? This isn't directed at any one person because AFAICT, the maintainer of those systems is "nobody". Is it time to pick someone to actually maintain that pile of mierde? Maybe replace the pieces that haven't worked since the 90s? Fed up with something this basic not working, -Sara