Newsgroups: php.internals Path: news.php.net Xref: news.php.net php.internals:100613 Return-Path: Mailing-List: contact internals-help@lists.php.net; run by ezmlm Delivered-To: mailing list internals@lists.php.net Received: (qmail 85020 invoked from network); 15 Sep 2017 09:17:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.php.net) (127.0.0.1) by localhost with SMTP; 15 Sep 2017 09:17:22 -0000 Authentication-Results: pb1.pair.com header.from=narf@devilix.net; sender-id=pass Authentication-Results: pb1.pair.com smtp.mail=narf@devilix.net; spf=pass; sender-id=pass Received-SPF: pass (pb1.pair.com: domain devilix.net designates 74.125.82.44 as permitted sender) X-PHP-List-Original-Sender: narf@devilix.net X-Host-Fingerprint: 74.125.82.44 mail-wm0-f44.google.com Received: from [74.125.82.44] ([74.125.82.44:43389] helo=mail-wm0-f44.google.com) by pb1.pair.com (ecelerity 2.1.1.9-wez r(12769M)) with ESMTP id 34/2A-19300-2AA9BB95 for ; Fri, 15 Sep 2017 05:17:22 -0400 Received: by mail-wm0-f44.google.com with SMTP id a137so1843798wma.0 for ; Fri, 15 Sep 2017 02:17:22 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=devilix.net; s=google; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc; bh=LGdiVeLjMN/sjYI5jtlwVax6EWzxAy5fHQVCtR+00VQ=; b=ACrpfnQa2tcItMf81PHjp/tuzo+clLcOneFJAghN3NNiUs9QIUcN6RskkkfDNCKOF0 aJh8/iF1426NwNWM6WGX8Am+n3r2o1qQXGGIrte4rITwP/anpjkpserjSoR/Y1vBkkGf 6iA84Rd6tQOEQZrAdijIRyWKnraf91JaSTGEI= X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=LGdiVeLjMN/sjYI5jtlwVax6EWzxAy5fHQVCtR+00VQ=; b=A9muz0F431Qhx8TMoV2LHyOU4dUW0A/kB0uxZ4j/u/XIJTMOFhgG8E+dugC/Z1DWVu XAgbCyq9DmFPHZVGeAGum6Akqp+I32v9NdL9QHccKuBK8iTAWi0aqMihq4EmPIKOelFR XklIMVC2Mx+bbMV5qLHhLXYRg2+rGMdguoxAdgHlqvRd5y9+G2enthJshxt+YdJSAigG RP1mri7W4OoHHcXqanw+usEf9O/RNX1xgvxbi5HDDq5rajBV1MZmzpVbJB+e0s2r25jc lzgj/89xQRv35MokeBTULO16FTAJGSpmqBZJLK+Zg6gtzR964gKdTd+M2Dy9hZVFkUAi DaHQ== X-Gm-Message-State: AHPjjUgFdg1a3UnKqWXQ5mFiDdb1QNztalI7XebunPLvLQk2SPkwG4C9 b2JNUBJkT06LTwBnCGPKlSiwg9OzJOe0E0U6RyBECN8n X-Google-Smtp-Source: AOwi7QCgOX3VGFGYp0RF2T7r5CyMTUY6h1UfAfecp+LyAK4BuVPlmNOPtje7jLMq+bqcNLw0fBKPnvjXQUZpIkBSgZE= X-Received: by 10.28.234.136 with SMTP id g8mr1971524wmi.76.1505467039154; Fri, 15 Sep 2017 02:17:19 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.223.130.41 with HTTP; Fri, 15 Sep 2017 02:17:18 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <1E.C8.19300.EA49BB95@pb1.pair.com> References: <3D.0C.10715.383F8B95@pb1.pair.com> <20b8b6fa-ec81-eba9-d33b-b54b815e9e5d@lsces.co.uk> <88.FC.19300.2418AB95@pb1.pair.com> <20170914133846.GQ8096@phcomp.co.uk> <1E.C8.19300.EA49BB95@pb1.pair.com> Date: Fri, 15 Sep 2017 12:17:18 +0300 Message-ID: To: Tony Marston Cc: "internals@lists.php.net" Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Subject: Re: [PHP-DEV] Deprecate and remove case-insensitive constants? From: narf@devilix.net (Andrey Andreev) Hi, On Fri, Sep 15, 2017 at 11:51 AM, Tony Marston wrote: > >> Far better that that >> problem is taken away from the file system (which should be clean, robust >> and >> fast) and if you want case independence put it up at the application >> layer. > > > You try telling that to the billions of Windows users who have been used to > a case insensitive file system for decades. Not to mention all Microsoft > software which is case insensitive. Try to take that away and billions of > users will be baying for your blood. > Billions? Do we have that statistic available? And how many of them have ever encountered case-sensitivity as a concept? Do they all manually type-in filenames that they want to open? If so, do they for some reason name their files in all upper-case, but then type in lower-case while opening? Also, are we Microsoft developers? Are we trying to change Windows? And most importantly: How do everyday Windows users have anything to do with PHP developers? Cheers, Andrey.