Newsgroups: php.internals Path: news.php.net Xref: news.php.net php.internals:100590 Return-Path: Mailing-List: contact internals-help@lists.php.net; run by ezmlm Delivered-To: mailing list internals@lists.php.net Received: (qmail 2544 invoked from network); 14 Sep 2017 13:46:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.php.net) (127.0.0.1) by localhost with SMTP; 14 Sep 2017 13:46:09 -0000 Authentication-Results: pb1.pair.com header.from=addw@phcomp.co.uk; sender-id=permerror Authentication-Results: pb1.pair.com smtp.mail=addw@phcomp.co.uk; spf=pass; sender-id=pass Received-SPF: pass (pb1.pair.com: domain phcomp.co.uk designates 78.32.209.33 as permitted sender) X-PHP-List-Original-Sender: addw@phcomp.co.uk X-Host-Fingerprint: 78.32.209.33 freshmint.phcomp.co.uk Received: from [78.32.209.33] ([78.32.209.33:52528] helo=mint.phcomp.co.uk) by pb1.pair.com (ecelerity 2.1.1.9-wez r(12769M)) with ESMTP id 86/3F-19300-F188AB95 for ; Thu, 14 Sep 2017 09:46:08 -0400 Received: from addw by mint.phcomp.co.uk with local (Exim 4.89) (envelope-from ) id 1dsUSx-0007Z9-Vh for internals@lists.php.net; Thu, 14 Sep 2017 14:46:04 +0100 Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2017 14:46:03 +0100 To: internals@lists.php.net Message-ID: <20170914134603.GS8096@phcomp.co.uk> Mail-Followup-To: internals@lists.php.net References: <3D.0C.10715.383F8B95@pb1.pair.com> <1505382004.4078127.1105791680.3A06C2FA@webmail.messagingengine.com> <16.4C.19300.B2D7AB95@pb1.pair.com> <98ab178e-b999-7e36-5ff5-7b8c28fe0dd4@gmx.de> <02.9E.19300.FD58AB95@pb1.pair.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <02.9E.19300.FD58AB95@pb1.pair.com> Organization: Parliament Hill Computers Ltd User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.20 (2009-12-10) Subject: Re: [PHP-DEV] Deprecate and remove case-insensitive constants? From: addw@phcomp.co.uk (Alain Williams) On Thu, Sep 14, 2017 at 02:36:27PM +0100, Tony Marston wrote: > ""Christoph M. Becker"" wrote in message > news:98ab178e-b999-7e36-5ff5-7b8c28fe0dd4@gmx.de... > > > >On 14.09.2017 at 14:59, Tony Marston wrote: > > > >>Introducing case sensitivity into what is mostly a case-insensitive > >>world just for the convenience of a few programmers I do not consider to > >>be acceptable. It would cause more problems for far more people than the > >>insignificant few who insist on using obscure character sets. Why should > >>the English-speaking world be forced to suffer just because some minor > >>languages cannot handle case folding? > > > >This is not about an "insignificant few who insist on using obscure > >character sets", but rather about a language spoken by millions of > >people which has to "I" characters, namely dotted and dotless "I". > >Rather consistently, the dotless "I"'s lower-case variant is "i", and > >the dotted "I"'s lower-case variant is "i". There you go. > > > > The number of people in the world who use character sets which do > not have this problem far outnumber those who use character sets > which do have this problem. People without this problem far > outnumber the others, so it would not be a good idea to > inconvenience the many just to satisfy the few. Translation: I do not use these character sets, those who do are not important. PHP (& File systems) are best staying away from things like that. Not attempting case folding, and similar, makes it simpler, faster & more robust (not worrying about what sort of 'i' to convert to). It only helps those who do not know what the SHIFT key is for. -- Alain Williams Linux/GNU Consultant - Mail systems, Web sites, Networking, Programmer, IT Lecturer. +44 (0) 787 668 0256 http://www.phcomp.co.uk/ Parliament Hill Computers Ltd. Registration Information: http://www.phcomp.co.uk/contact.php #include