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Date: Mon, 24 Jul 2017 14:17:39 +0200
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To: Niklas Keller <me@kelunik.com>
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	Mathias Grimm <mathiasgrimm@gmail.com>, Sara Golemon <pollita@php.net>, 
	PHP Internals <internals@lists.php.net>
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Subject: Re: [PHP-DEV] bugs.php.net website
From: kalle@php.net (Kalle Sommer Nielsen)

Hi Niklas

2017-07-24 11:51 GMT+02:00 Niklas Keller <me@kelunik.com>:
> It's unmaintained code, nobody wants to touch it. Any attempt to improve
> anything doesn't go anywhere, because there are too many people saying the
> current state is fine.

I doubt the fact that because its written this way is making no one
wants to touch the code, sure it plays a factor but not that big one.
I don't mind improving it at all, what I do mind is that we should
include tons of additional code for no real gain other than syntax
looking better for the reader.

> See https://github.com/php/web-bugs/pull/26 for an example.

Maciej got web karma and can commit this, I don't really mind this one
as an example, tho since we use mysqli, we should simply just use the
native mysqli class, and then we don't run into the issue as described
with PDO having no numRows method. I even would go as far as saying we
should get rid of the PEAR dependency in bugsweb, we even had issues
with pear releases that php-src depends on when 7.0.0 was about to be
released.


> There's no need for a framework, libraries are just fine. But saying that
> the PHP project is a good example for how powerful the language is, is ...
> really strange.

I don't think it is that strange, again a subjective statement. I can
agree that in the current state its not that much an example, but I
think that should be the goal for all php.net web projects.

> The attitude of "don't change anything, it's fine" makes it really hard to
> find motivation to contribute anything.

I'm not saying don't change its fine, what I'm saying is that we
shouldn't change the overall arching of the website to be bloated.


-- 
regards,

Kalle Sommer Nielsen
kalle@php.net