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Date: Mon, 24 Jul 2017 10:26:35 +0200
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To: Kalle Sommer Nielsen <kalle@php.net>
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	Sara Golemon <pollita@php.net>, Niklas Keller <me@kelunik.com>, 
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Subject: Re: [PHP-DEV] bugs.php.net website
From: mathiasgrimm@gmail.com (Mathias Grimm)

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Thanks all for the comments.

While I understand the motivations & reasons I think I would prefer not to
help in this specific case.
Nothing wrong with the approach but different then what I was expecting to
spend my free time on.

I hope everything goes ok.
Count on me for further improvements if the idea changes.

Cheers,
Mathias





On 24 July 2017 at 10:15, Kalle Sommer Nielsen <kalle@php.net> wrote:

> Hi Johannes
>
> 2017-07-24 0:03 GMT+02:00 Johannes Schl=C3=BCter <johannes@schlueters.de>
> > It is also good for the PHP ecosystem at large to show we're using
> > libraries, where it makes sense. If we use a variety we're also not
> > favoring single ones :)
>
> As much as I agree with that, I do not see a big thing that using a
> library makes it much easier to do for a bug tracker that fits our
> needs. Okay maybe a captcha or SSO, but the rest can be done in a
> simple encapsulation that we don't need thousands of lines of code
> just to implement something so basic.
>
> > A reason for this is that these sites are not "actively developed" and
> > it should be possible to find the relevant code within a few minutes,
> > even when looking at it every second year or though. With the current
> > architecture I go to search.php's code and can see what's going on.
> > With a framework I have to see how the framework handles the routing
> > and where the relevant controller is and so on and so forth ...  this
> > is contrary to other projects under constant development possibly by
> > larger teams and is also different from developing a generic bug
> > tracker (or whatever site you look at) where things need to be
> > configurable for different usage scenarios ...
>
> I think the main reason for these sites not being actively developed
> is that they do their job, I did some minor cosmetics to the bug
> tracker, but besides maybe better integration with github PR's, I
> can't see that many more features our tracker needs.
>
> I get that with a framework it makes the debugging route easier or if
> you are just curious to study the code, and we can still achieve that
> with simplistic encapsulation where it makes sense. If we keep your
> example with search, what we can do is to implement functionality that
> returns records based on criteria, we need that functionality in
> multiple places anyway.
>
> I always saw the PHP project as an example to how powerful the
> language is by its own, out of the box and I will continue to advocate
> for us to continue that way
>
> --
> regards,
>
> Kalle Sommer Nielsen
> kalle@php.net
>

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