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Date: Mon, 24 Jul 2017 10:15:16 +0200
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Subject: Re: [PHP-DEV] bugs.php.net website
From: kalle@php.net (Kalle Sommer Nielsen)

Hi Johannes

2017-07-24 0:03 GMT+02:00 Johannes Schl=C3=BCter <johannes@schlueters.de>
> It is also good for the PHP ecosystem at large to show we're using
> libraries, where it makes sense. If we use a variety we're also not
> favoring single ones :)

As much as I agree with that, I do not see a big thing that using a
library makes it much easier to do for a bug tracker that fits our
needs. Okay maybe a captcha or SSO, but the rest can be done in a
simple encapsulation that we don't need thousands of lines of code
just to implement something so basic.

> A reason for this is that these sites are not "actively developed" and
> it should be possible to find the relevant code within a few minutes,
> even when looking at it every second year or though. With the current
> architecture I go to search.php's code and can see what's going on.
> With a framework I have to see how the framework handles the routing
> and where the relevant controller is and so on and so forth ...  this
> is contrary to other projects under constant development possibly by
> larger teams and is also different from developing a generic bug
> tracker (or whatever site you look at) where things need to be
> configurable for different usage scenarios ...

I think the main reason for these sites not being actively developed
is that they do their job, I did some minor cosmetics to the bug
tracker, but besides maybe better integration with github PR's, I
can't see that many more features our tracker needs.

I get that with a framework it makes the debugging route easier or if
you are just curious to study the code, and we can still achieve that
with simplistic encapsulation where it makes sense. If we keep your
example with search, what we can do is to implement functionality that
returns records based on criteria, we need that functionality in
multiple places anyway.

I always saw the PHP project as an example to how powerful the
language is by its own, out of the box and I will continue to advocate
for us to continue that way

--=20
regards,

Kalle Sommer Nielsen
kalle@php.net