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Date: Tue, 17 Jan 2017 10:41:55 +0100
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To: Joe Watkins <pthreads@pthreads.org>
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Subject: Re: [PHP-DEV] bugsnet cleanup
From: ocramius@gmail.com (Marco Pivetta)

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On Tue, Jan 17, 2017 at 9:19 AM, Joe Watkins <pthreads@pthreads.org> wrote:

> > I'm sorry I don't understand this. How bugs.php.net is not open?
>
> I said it is open, but it's not being used, it's not in your face like
> github is for a lot of us, it's in a "dark corner of the internet".
>

We (doctrine project, in this context) moved all our issues from our own
"open" Jira to Github last year, and activity started buzzing.

People can now cross-reference issues, discuss, get notifications, and have
some simplified/readable markup.
For the 99% of developers, this is better than any self-hosted tool with
its own workflow, and also more familiar (we all use Github, unless we live
under a rock, which is the 1%).

We really disliked the move, because Jira had integrated workflows as we
wanted them, as well as security issues (discussed above) and
multi-milestone support, but I'd trust a GPG encrypted mail over Jira's
MySQL instance for storing those security issues.

Still, activity buzzed after the move.
Yes, it is chaotic, but at least people can help out, cross-link, and
generally be more part of the workflow.

As it currently stands, I only go to bugs.php.net to create a github issue
where I link it as reference.

Just my 2 cents.

Marco Pivetta

http://twitter.com/Ocramius

http://ocramius.github.com/

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