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Subject: Re: [PHP-DEV] bugsnet cleanup
From: smalyshev@gmail.com (Stanislav Malyshev)

Hi!

> A lot of the time a feature request is just not enough; it requires at
> least a good discussion, if not an RFC.

True, but some people can not write an RFC, or not ready to do it,
however they still can request and discuss features.

> That there were feature requests open on bugsnet for more than a decade,
> some without comments, some open as long as 15 years, should be a hint
> that it is not useful as a collaboration tool anymore, and we have at
> our disposal some of the best collaboration tools on offer for free.

I do not disagree that we need to screen them and sort them, I just
think dropping all of them is going too far. I also disagree that bugs
is not a useful tool, the problem is not the tool but that people are
not using it. If we don't have somebody to go over bugs, no matter what
the tool they will be left behind. If we have somebody, I don't see what
is the problem with bugs.php.net to use it.

> All I really want to do at the moment is cleanup, but to be perfectly
> honest I am not sure why we are using bugsnet for anything, given we

Why not? It's a working system which we own and we can suit to our needs.

> took the effort to switch over to git, source is hosted on github, the

Source is not hosted on github, it's mirrored to github.

> vast majority of PECL extensions are hosted on github (or bitbucket or
> some other collab+vcs solution), and they come with far superior
> collaboration tools to the ones that nobody bothers to maintain for php-src.

Again, the problem is not the tools (which I don't see btw how github is
that superior - if anything it is missing a bunch of features we need
and do have on bugs.php.net) but that almost nobody has been using them.
If people start to use them - and start fixing things that may be
missing too - we can just bugs.php.net just fine.

> I think this deserves consideration, we should be making the most out of
> what is on offer.

Exactly. Including using existing system we have, not just dropping
everything and moving to github which doesn't have features we need.

> I also think that doing things in the wide open has unseen benefits,
> while bugsnet is open, it's in a dark corner of the internet that not
> enough people bother to visit.

I'm sorry I don't understand this. How bugs.php.net is not open?

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Stas Malyshev
smalyshev@gmail.com