Newsgroups: php.internals Path: news.php.net Xref: news.php.net php.internals:121645 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mailing list internals@lists.php.net Received: (qmail 44600 invoked from network); 10 Nov 2023 17:20:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO php-smtp4.php.net) (45.112.84.5) by pb1.pair.com with SMTP; 10 Nov 2023 17:20:15 -0000 Received: from php-smtp4.php.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by php-smtp4.php.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 40D21180087 for ; Fri, 10 Nov 2023 09:20:14 -0800 (PST) X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.2 (2018-09-13) on php-smtp4.php.net X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.8 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00,DKIM_SIGNED, DKIM_VALID,DKIM_VALID_AU,DKIM_VALID_EF,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H5,RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_WL,SPF_HELO_PASS,SPF_NONE, T_SCC_BODY_TEXT_LINE autolearn=no autolearn_force=no version=3.4.2 X-Spam-ASN: AS19151 66.111.4.0/24 X-Spam-Virus: No X-Envelope-From: Received: from out3-smtp.messagingengine.com (out3-smtp.messagingengine.com [66.111.4.27]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange ECDHE (P-256) server-signature RSA-PSS (2048 bits) server-digest SHA256) (No client certificate requested) by php-smtp4.php.net (Postfix) with ESMTPS for ; Fri, 10 Nov 2023 09:20:13 -0800 (PST) Received: from compute1.internal (compute1.nyi.internal [10.202.2.41]) by mailout.nyi.internal (Postfix) with ESMTP id 367665C029C for ; Fri, 10 Nov 2023 12:20:13 -0500 (EST) Received: from imap50 ([10.202.2.100]) by compute1.internal (MEProxy); Fri, 10 Nov 2023 12:20:13 -0500 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d= garfieldtech.com; h=cc:content-type:content-type:date:date:from :from:in-reply-to:in-reply-to:message-id:mime-version:references :reply-to:sender:subject:subject:to:to; s=fm3; t=1699636813; x= 1699723213; bh=LLFAWMle8nIH0y4yFKdAzQNNXqNDL2KFCkMhgkw8gTI=; b=V 75VjJ4ulLC/uGoQWcod5fDExrUgzrXMz7do7Y5qAuSOdALUPyD50oZikDKMFcqfK zkc4N2b/ZBKmuBJBYciyUlp6Ed3iWz89U0vLHLsWU/uJ5M3FUEt5LrOjlz/I7dcP kBC/y+yk8jAgdx00qVW95WnnHqyJm3ceN9KugpUrlKUTy5kU2kCPQzSWTdgMLoig c4OdEQjcuyZlHmkQxn9rAx21HPUQ/gVh0mmxVotYXNGzFpK1ZgpTKZ+iUQanKshp u71lntR7FYGgSuFbe+KHL20AwLDMYBo2d+q5iGWTq7/S1XEOANBk7lW3ka/D5l1N lEAw5pCjDfMlE/75gqRGw== DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d= messagingengine.com; h=cc:content-type:content-type:date:date :feedback-id:feedback-id:from:from:in-reply-to:in-reply-to :message-id:mime-version:references:reply-to:sender:subject :subject:to:to:x-me-proxy:x-me-proxy:x-me-sender:x-me-sender :x-sasl-enc; s=fm3; t=1699636813; x=1699723213; bh=LLFAWMle8nIH0 y4yFKdAzQNNXqNDL2KFCkMhgkw8gTI=; b=uZdeZ+0cPScx1splmid4MZoGMciuc Own08JcyE+vY3ylc/kfXy/4Fqt+SYh+nsthpMgpVySGQ4tZGeLqRrLTbz/pKpw+m Av8HKfnweoYIwIe68MM64RnbXZQDmQXSJD/sKxGuT3z4/ge3X6NT93rZ3QLw90YL UWyahcZn99QYAiRd3mqCl9lSwB9CMf/SJsaNByArtS68/4Oe9I+sFsWEFbbfRGai JuNRHu13N7Ljqy7Br1V2KW8twCHm7Ch4pNI/eWUt86Pn4iZWtyrj7NDA2xFT15VT Ua8ZNH4ZOJIsxZJX9NYsnvOFMAtwrGRi2m3MNLZJqczSrsjc2olzyjSjg== X-ME-Sender: X-ME-Proxy-Cause: gggruggvucftvghtrhhoucdtuddrgedvkedruddvfedgleejucetufdoteggodetrfdotf fvucfrrhhofhhilhgvmecuhfgrshhtofgrihhlpdfqfgfvpdfurfetoffkrfgpnffqhgen uceurghilhhouhhtmecufedttdenucesvcftvggtihhpihgvnhhtshculddquddttddmne cujfgurhepofgfggfkjghffffhvffutgesthdtredtreertdenucfhrhhomhepfdfnrghr rhihucfirghrfhhivghlugdfuceolhgrrhhrhiesghgrrhhfihgvlhguthgvtghhrdgtoh hmqeenucggtffrrghtthgvrhhnpeefteevffetteeuueekgeejffduueehtdfhveefheei hfehgeehffehtdehgfeljeenucffohhmrghinhepphhhphdrnhgvthdpghhithhhuhgsrd gtohhmnecuvehluhhsthgvrhfuihiivgeptdenucfrrghrrghmpehmrghilhhfrhhomhep lhgrrhhrhiesghgrrhhfihgvlhguthgvtghhrdgtohhm X-ME-Proxy: Feedback-ID: i8414410d:Fastmail Received: by mailuser.nyi.internal (Postfix, from userid 501) id D11AD1700089; Fri, 10 Nov 2023 12:20:12 -0500 (EST) X-Mailer: MessagingEngine.com Webmail Interface User-Agent: Cyrus-JMAP/3.9.0-alpha0-1108-g3a29173c6d-fm-20231031.005-g3a29173c MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Date: Fri, 10 Nov 2023 11:19:52 -0600 To: "php internals" Content-Type: text/plain Subject: Re: [PHP-DEV] [RFC] [Discussion] Release cycle update From: larry@garfieldtech.com ("Larry Garfield") On Fri, Nov 10, 2023, at 10:51 AM, Jakub Zelenka wrote: > Hello, > > I would like to propose a new process RFC for updates to PHP release cycle: > > https://wiki.php.net/rfc/release_cycle_update > > This has been discussed between release managers to make sure that all are > happy as some of the points impact release managers (e.g. longer security > support). > > I also opened a PR to my new personal repo for RFC's if anyone has got any > suggestion for better wording or notices any typo: > > https://github.com/bukka/php-rfc/pull/1 > > Cheers > > Jakub If the release managers are in favor, I am in favor, generally. I'm sure the longer security cycle will get cheers from hosting organizations and jeers from package maintainers. :-) A few questions/comments/observations: * "Allow feature that do not require RFC in beta" - The description doesn't quite sound like it's talking about "features." It's talking about refactoring, bug fixes, edge case handling, etc. Those are certainly beta-friendly tasks, I agree, but I wouldn't describe those as "features." The open hole here is that the description also talks about "minor features that don't require an RFC", the threshold for which is... highly fluid. That's a potential confusion point. * Reduce number of RC to 4 - I support this! However, it's not clear if that means we get an extra 2 betas, or an extra month of alpha (where RFCs are allowed). Personally I would favor the latter, but as written the text is unclear on which is intended. Including a revised calendar of what happens when under this policy in a table or chart or something would be very helpful. --Larry Garfield