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Subject: Re: [PHP-DEV] [RFC] [Discussion] #[\Deprecated] attribute again v1.3
Date: Fri, 26 Apr 2024 04:40:57 -0400
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To: "Rowan Tommins [IMSoP]" <imsop.php@rwec.co.uk>
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From: mike@newclarity.net (Mike Schinkel)


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> On Apr 25, 2024, at 5:47 PM, Rowan Tommins [IMSoP] =
<imsop.php@rwec.co.uk> wrote:
> I think you missed the context of that sentence - or I'm missing =
something in yours. I meant specifically that the "deprecated since" =
information is useless if there's no published policy on how long =
something will stay deprecated.=20

To paraphrase a former US President, "Depends on what the meaning of =
'since' is."

Given a lack of agreed definition for 'since' it appears you are using =
narrow assumptions about the meaning of 'since' that led you to view =
'since' as useless.

Conversely, I try not to make limiting assumptions and look for how a =
feature could be useful IF defined appropriately. And to me there is =
benefit to have a standardized way for tooling to recognize deprecation =
based on versions and other criteria, even if the specifics may need to =
be explored further.

Or at least that is how I see it.  But then, I have no vote, so =
=C2=AF\_(=E3=83=84)_/=C2=AF.

-Mike=

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<html><head><meta http-equiv=3D"Content-Type" content=3D"text/html; =
charset=3Dutf-8"></head><body style=3D"word-wrap: break-word; =
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class=3D""><div><blockquote type=3D"cite" class=3D""><div class=3D"">On =
Apr 25, 2024, at 5:47 PM, Rowan Tommins [IMSoP] &lt;<a =
href=3D"mailto:imsop.php@rwec.co.uk" =
class=3D"">imsop.php@rwec.co.uk</a>&gt; wrote:</div><div class=3D""><div =
class=3D"">I think you missed the context of that sentence - or I'm =
missing something in yours. I meant specifically that the "deprecated =
since" information is useless if there's no published policy on how long =
something will stay deprecated. <br =
class=3D""></div></div></blockquote><div><br =
class=3D""></div></div><blockquote style=3D"margin: 0 0 0 40px; border: =
none; padding: 0px;" class=3D""><div><div>To paraphrase a former US =
President, "Depends on what the meaning of 'since' =
is."</div></div></blockquote><div><div><br =
class=3D""></div></div><blockquote style=3D"margin: 0 0 0 40px; border: =
none; padding: 0px;" class=3D""><div><div>Given a lack of agreed =
definition for 'since' it appears you are using narrow assumptions about =
the meaning of 'since' that led you to view 'since' as =
useless.</div><div><br class=3D""></div><div>Conversely, I try not to =
make&nbsp;limiting&nbsp;assumptions and look for how a feature could be =
useful IF defined appropriately. And to me there is benefit to have a =
standardized way for tooling to recognize deprecation based on versions =
and other criteria, even if the specifics may need to be explored =
further.</div><div><br class=3D""></div><div>Or at least that is how I =
see it. &nbsp;But then, I have no =
vote,&nbsp;so&nbsp;=C2=AF\_(=E3=83=84)_/=C2=AF.</div><div><br =
class=3D""></div></div></blockquote>-Mike</body></html>=

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